Maybe he's a troll? Maybe I'm underestimating how much deception religious people are willing to put forth? Who knows :/
Play the field?????????? These are the stats and as a matter of fact that living together has become the equivalent of a long term relationship no different than a marriage (after all its just a piece of paper to atheists without god in the picture). It seems like alot of teh atheists got ticked off, i dont understand where the deception is, and in fact it seems veryyyyyyyy factual. Maybe its because many atheists try to skew facts and put down religion that they are paranoid everyone else is trying to do that to them, but relax as it would serve no purpose to to lie to prove anything. To answer Stox's question im 41 and when i make a vow to myself i will go all the way for it because i truely believe in what im doing. I have never been ashamed of my virginity ever and wont start being ashamed now. My bro was one when he married at 26, my parents were both virgins when they married and they have been married 44+ years. Anything else?
hmmm no wonder you have higher breakup rates So religion helps miserable people stay together even thought they hate each other?
Atheists get married to demonstrates their commitment and dedication to their partner, The religious get married to demonstrate their dedication and commitment to their invisible friend. These kind of love triangles are destined to be empty at best. I'm not going to mock you for being a 41 year old virgin pong because in all honesty i think it is symptomatic of quite a seriously underlying psychological problem. I think 6 months of counseling would see you ditching your faith and finally starting to live your life, and not wasting it in hope of a second one. I encourage you to take the advice before it's too late. I can't image how depressing it would be for you to have this "revelation" in 30 years time. Or maybe this is what makes your "faith" so strong. i know if i had spent my life doing what you have i wouldn't want to admit i was wrong when i'm 41. what do you do for a living? do you still live with your parents?
Stox , I didnt know you were my best friend looooooooooooool. I have had to deal with comments from people like you for most of my life (wannabees of society). Do you think I would have stayed a virgin this long if I wasnt strong in my faith and commitment. As far as being unhappy, i believe my brothers been married 15 years and my parents 44 and unless they are hiding some great secret from me I believe they are very happy. As far as atheists getting married, there is no difference to them between living together and a piece of paper. Please spare me your bs about it being any different. If you dont believe that we possess souls than how can someone like you understand the depth of marriage . Actually i feel great about my vow and commitment. Its not my problem that you had some kind of episode with religious people that fuels your bias and i can understand how biases develop. I used to be in this stage , but something happened along the way , I grew up. There is nothing that can get me away from my faith because once you know the love of jesus christ you will never want to know another. If you ever want to talk about your hidden motives for hating religion I am available anytime on yahoo chat. You are still my fellow human being and we are all supposed to be there for each other as a global family. God bless you stox and i will be praying hard for you today in church.
There are many reasons people might be virgins in their 40's, Their religion is only one. all i know is if i was a 40 year old virgin id certainly be looking for an excuse which made it look like a conscious decision and not a result of things out of my control, such as appearance, low self esteem, a fear of women, A cover for their homosexuality, inadequate social skills or an unlikeable personality. I'm not saying these apply to you, Simply that they would be reasons for being a virgin which would make someone instead claim it was a conscious decision based on "beliefs". Were any of them 40 year olds or did they all marry long before 40? The thing is pong, if you haven't found anyone you want to marry in the last 41 years it's unlikely that you'll find one in your remaining years, And even if you do, You are approaching your twilight, the noon sun has come and gone and i'm afraid you have missed the years where companionship and intimacy are at their most fulfilling. atheists get married for the same reasons as religious people do, All apart from the god thing. Unless you are saying religious people only marry to please their god and not each other, If you aren;t saying that then list the reasons religious people get married, remove "to please god" and youl have a list of atheistic reasons. Who are you trying to convince now? Me or yourself? If you can't be honest with us at least be honest with yourself. It's not a time to be digging your heels in to justify bad decisions you have made in the past, it's time to pull yourself together, get out there and live your damn life. Don't waste it, we only get one.
As everyone can see, there are people that equate morals and abstinence with not having a life . It is a very shallow way to look at life and its meaning but like i said before i will pray for you. Maybe it makes people like that unhappy that others are proud to live their life believing in something and having the morals and will to go through with it. As i said before my own family has lived this kind of lifestyle and we have all been very happy with it. Is that what makes some people unhappy? Or maybe it touches another nerve. One of the worst feelings in any person is jealousy and hidden intentions. I am very happy with my life, as I have lived it with meaning and purpose . This meaning and purpose unfortunately is something deeper than you could understand. I still wont take back the fact that i want to pray for you and whatever caused you to hate people of religion so much. We are all brothers here and we should wish the best for each other. End of discussion its impossible to go any deeper in this discussion as the physical state.
how do you know what atheists feel about marriage? And, if you don't have sex, do you masturbate? Isn't that against your faith too?
pong you can say you are going to pray for me as much as you like, I don't fall for passive aggressive provocation.
I don't think religion is much of a factor in all of this. My girlfriend is saving herself for marriage yet hates going to church. I know a girl who grew up the daughter of a pastor and decided to take the career path of a prostitute. The main factor is upbringing and the person. LMAO!!!!!!
Hell, I think it's refreshing to hear about someone who is going to save themselves for marriage. The kids around here are all trying to get it while they can I suppose. 12 year olds with babies, that's right, I live in the Bible Belt I really am of the opinion that if people weren't so in the closet about sex with their kids, less of them might be in such a hurry to give it a go.
Thanks earthfaze I also agree that parents should be more open about that stuff with their kids, its just that sometimes in the bible bellt those christians are to strict with their kids and should trust them enough to talk to them about it. In fact my nephew had a sex education class in the 5th grade and he goes to catholic school and even plays high school football. The cheerleaders even have a crush on him but like his uncle he was also brought up to save himself for marriage and understands that sex should be special and saved for his future wife. I really respect him alot and i feel like im talking to a grown up when i talk to him.
So why is sex immoral besides the ol "god said so" argument? Can you please tell me one good reason why it's immoral? If we're engineered to fuck from day #1 (along with most other species), then "god" made us and wanted us to fuck.....right?
I don't think it's immoral, I just think there is a healthy way to approach and an unhealthy way, and I don't think immature kids should be fucking their brains out indiscriminately. I think it is emotionally damaging to many kids to have the sorts of fucked up encounters way before they could possibly be old enough to understand all the complexities in it. I don't think dating is about sex, I don't think people only develop intimate relationships to mate. I think there is a more emotional, psychological need involved in intimate relationships that goes beyond some base instinct to mate for better genes. I'm not a Christian though. I am not so much impressed that some one will save themselves for marriage (as a religious institute) but that someone will value the experience as more than a cheap thrill in the first place. That someone in todays western culture would place value on chastity is a positive balance to all the cute girls at the gentleman's club. Good to have balance.
I'm pretty sure I've had premarital sex without any psychological damage, as have billions of other people.
I think you are putting words in my mouth. Premarital sex=psychological damage was not actually in my post.
There's a full healthy spectrum of sexual activity and I think what you described about kids having sex and pingpong's abstinence are both at the unhealthy ends of the spectrum.
Well, I don't know him personally so I can't say for sure, but yeah I think there is a balance and without knowing anyone's personal details I wouldn't want to judge for them.
Its very simple, i personally dont believe in sex before marriage. I think whats not healthy is a 65% divorce rate and the shallowness of our society today. Like i said my dad was 27 and a virgin when he also got married and so far there hasnt been any trip to a therapist. Its called committing to what you believe in. I actually see premarital sex as being unhealthy but then again this is my opinion. Just as its my opinion that most wannabees will follow the societal treands of the current age and not have the inner strength or guts to follow what they believe in.