Israel to escalate the onlslaught

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    Israel are to step up their destruction of Hamas in the Gaza Strip

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7822049.stm
    Israel has dropped leaflets on the Gaza Strip warning residents that it is to escalate its military action.

    There is speculation the leaflets may mean Israel will adopt new tactics in its battle with Palestinian militants.

    On Saturday, Israel attacked dozens of Hamas targets, including what it says were rocket-launching sites, weapons stores, and smuggling tunnels.

    Meanwhile, Hamas militants have fired several rockets at Israeli towns, injuring two Israelis in Ashkelon.

    Medical staff in Gaza say more than 800 Palestinians have died during the two-week offensive. Thirteen Israelis have been killed, most of them troops.

    Leaflets and phone messages in Arabic urged Gaza residents to keep away from sites linked to Hamas, saying that the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) were not targeting Gazans but "Hamas and the terrorists only".


    It is hard to distinguish between routing out terrorists and planned genocide execution

    What is coming next?
     
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  2. Ohad

    Ohad Guest

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    Genocide?:O Use your mind, and you will get to the conclusion that if Israel wants to destroy entire Gaza, she can do this in a second, in cheap, without Israeli casualties. One bomb from one plane can do this job. There is no need in moving thousands of soldiers into Gaza, or launching thousands of expensive and accurate air attacks on Hamas targets.
     
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  3. britishguy

    britishguy Prominent Member

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    That is never going to happen as they do not have that type of action on the agenda

    And if they did the whole region would erupt

    So that is a NO NO:eek:
     
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    Egypt and the Palestinian Authority have given a defacto green light.

    Egypt does not want a militant state on its border and the Palestinian Authority has said that it will return to Gaza should Israel crush Hamas.
     
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  5. alexa_s

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    For you, possibly. Not for me. I find it very easy to distinguish between them: one is something that's actually happening and the other is hysterical nonsense.
     
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    imad Peon

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    These leaflets are just an excuse for Israel so they can later say: "we warned them" there is no safe place in Gaza besides they target civilians on purpose as a way to make pressure on Hamas and destroy their resistance spirit,

    the proof is the UN school they bombed, it was a good target for such coward army, many civilians would die with one shot and they thought they can cover it, the first cover story said that Hamas fired mortars from there, when they found that people are not so fool to believe the same fake story always, and after UN investigators proved that no mortars were fired from the school, they came with another cover story and said, it was from a place close to the school.

    if it was from near the school why didn't you say so from the beginning?

    they wanted to reduce the world reaction against their crimes, by making these cover stories, and later when the truth slowly start to appear, they hope that people would forget.
     
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  7. britishguy

    britishguy Prominent Member

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    Obviously then the reason why it is set out in the Geneva Convention is nonsense too ---------- as per your opinion then?

    Actually it clearly states

    'This convention bans acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group'

    So as you can see clearly laid out - it is in fact NOT hysterical nonsense
     
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    Hello sir. Those leaflets, and the very targeted attacks during current operation in Gaza prove that Israel has no intent of harming civilians. Israel is following the international rules as far as possible. Even a very well-trained airforce is unable to avoid mistakes of all kinds. This isn't an optimal situation, where it is possible to distinguish between terrorists and civilians... wish it was!
     
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    britishguy Prominent Member

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    This could and sometimes is relevant 'in the fog of war'

    But the school issue in Gaza needs a lot of explanations -------as it appears that was more than any mistaken identity!
     
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    imad Peon

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    the school was not hit by air force, so when you make another cover story, try to make a good one,

    the school also was marked, and UN told them about it and gave them its coordinates, to avoid it.

    you are right about the very targeted attacks, yes they are very targeted against women and children.
    with the advanced technology, I think these "mistakes" can be avoided, but not with Israel, they did it on purpose.
     
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    This is a sad event for all parties.
    I think you should check out this video where a Hamas terrorist is shooting a rocket from school in Gaza.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBKGOXfh94c

    Perhaps same thing has happened, perhaps mistaken identity...

    Bottom line is that none of this could have happened, if Hamas wasn't fighting his war from within civil population.
     
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    Yes sir, advanced technology allows you to hit 100% of the targets with 100% accuracy...
    Don't try to act the fool here.
    Even according to Hamas proclamations - it's still 25% of civil population hits against 75% of Hamas men.
     
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    There are also many other things that aren't happening laid out in the Geneva Convention. Doesn't it occur to you that if Israel, with its hugely mighty military force, had wanted to wipe out such a tiny, densely-populated area as Gaza, they could very easily have done that on the first day? It would be like swatting a fly for them. But they didn't do that, did they? That's why what you're allegedly imagining is so obviously hysterical nonsense.
     
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    The issue of one hit was never inferred or mentioned by me

    Let's see in the aftermath, whether this is hysterical nonsense when the perpertrators of war crimes are prosecuted
     
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    gkd_uk Well-Known Member

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    Why is it that you guys always refer to you tube as your source of info. I can post lots of you tube urls proving Israel is wrong.
     
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    sitey Active Member

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    This is an SEO forum. You should know by now how much more conversion you can achieve by using visual media.

    Since anyone can claim Hamas are making a cynical use of children... but it gets straight into your heart when you see that. There is a say in Hebrew which says "there ain't nothing better than what your eyes witness". Since I have been to Gaza, and you haven't, I am trying to give you a small taste of what I saw.
     
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    gkd_uk Well-Known Member

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    Israel would love to wipe out Palestian but they can not due to what the international community would think of them.

    And if they did, other middle east countries would get involved. Then Israel would be like swatting a fly.
     
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    mistakes happen, but they are rare, unlike the case with the coward IOF, they rarely hit the target, hamas never declared their loses, they said they have lost fighters, but they did not give numbers, or percentage, as they are not the ones who are counting the victims right now,

    so stop please trying to make poor cover story, you did some how an ok try with that video you posted, lets talk a little about it, because its another proof that Israel hit that school intentionally, and here is why:

    first, the coward IOF released with the title (Terrorists fire mortars from UNRWA boys' school in Gaza) they lied because it was not UNRWA school,

    source

    somebody might say, so what? its still a school but not run by UN in this case, still Hamas is guilty in firing from a school, right?

    he did not say when did UN abandon it, and whether Hamas run it as a school after that or not, or if they moved to a new location...etc?

    but it does not look like there are kids there taking lessons or playing basketball or football? right?

    second - in this video Israel saw these men while firing mortars, and I know there are so many UVA's flying over Gaza since the aggression against women and children started, in the school the coward IOF bombed few days ago, didn't they see the hundreds of women and children seeking refugee there?

    third - in that video you posted it shows that it took only seconds to one minute to fire the mortars, and they took the launcher and left very fast, the fighters knew that its important to leave the site before IOF can reply, and IOF also knows very well they won't fire and stay maybe to take some pictures?

    so IOF knows there were women and children there and they know that the ones who launched the mortars are gone now for their next location, but they yet bombed the target, which they know its a UN school being used as a shelter.

    this only says that they bombed it intentionally, and add to all the above what they did in Qana 2006, Qana 1996, they have a history in bombing UN shelters, because they have a message to tell to the people, and the resistance, which is "nobody can protect you from us"

    In Qana 2006 they also bombed a shelter and said Hezballah fired rockets from there, and it has been proven a pure lie by independent organizations.
     
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    Of course they didn't, they don't want to make it look like they lost. I bet they'll even lie when they do declare casualties to make it look like they won.
     
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    Many people say this, and some of them presumably actually believe it, but there's never been any evidence of it at all, though there's been a lot of evidence to the contrary and there's even some right now. What they would doubtless love, though, is to be able to exist in their own country without people lobbing rockets at them all the time. Which doesn't seem too unreasonable to many of us. Sadly, but understandably, ever-increasing experience is teaching them that a "proportional response" to such offensives achieves nothing significant and more is therefore called for. Israel's current enemy is Hamas, not Gaza and certainly not Palestinians in general. The current situation isn't actually very much more complicated to understand than that.
     
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