I would assume that the loss of blood and pain inflicted would cause a great deal of euphoria which could easily be seen (or mistaken for) as a mystical, religious experience. I really have no knowledge of this particular ritual (great pic though) but I have heard of similar things being done by Native Americans, I wanna say it was called the Sun Dance? They put hooks in their backs and swing from poles. But yes, I would agree that it is indicative of some sort of behavioral disorder to want to hurt yourself, but then again there are all sorts of people on DP with much more severe disorders
i don't know, you tell me. it was you who voluntarily came into the thread and expressed your opinion on the subject and made numerous subsequent posts trying to defend you opinion, So it's a bit late to try the old "pff, i don't care anyway" crap. They are mentally ill too. Of course, I'm not trying to stop them. Just pointing out how bat shit crazy religion can make people. You do understand he is a magician, right? He's a performer. What next, A comparison between this and the death race in mad max? These excuses are getting pitiful. Just think, You could have saved yourself all this humiliation and uncomfort by having the integrity and intellectual honesty to just admit that it's crazy from the beginning by stating your disagreement straight away like polite teen did. But no, Because the action, Action which you even confess is un-islamic, is, i assume, being done by muslims you felt obliged to defend it. Now, Let's think about what happened there. You see behaviour that you thought was crazy, and thought was un-islamic, Being done by muslims, Yet because the people doing it were from the same club as you, you found yourself defending it. Think how dangerous that can be and, more importantly, The integrity your religion has taken from you if you actually start defending behaviour based on nothing more than the fact that you are from the same club as someone else.
you are unsuccessfuly trying to defend one side and attack otherside. Well i am that kinda guy who giving you a free lesson too The place is called "takyakhana", "Hussainia" and guys who perform on the photo you posted looks like afghan shias called "Hazara". These guys are performers too, they are special group of youngsters who doing it. They doing it for free food and attention . "zanjir zani" or "quma zani" are more like an old tradition which some people take it to extreme level. This year it was banned in most of countries like Iran , Afghanistan to perform bloody action like that .Instead the religios clerics asked those performers to donate blood instead of cutting themselves. How it come when david blain stay inside ice block and after 61 hours cant walk its called perfomar and magician then what these guys performing their old tradition, you call it mental disorder? Maybe that shows your islamophobia? So just because its performed by a small group of muslims you call it mental ilness? is that your logic behind that topic?
Is the blood real? --- David Blain is a magician. He might say he's staying in an ice cube for 61 million years but he really won't. Criss Angel did something similar - he got run over by a tractor and nothing happened to him. Again, it's all just a trick, and that's why I'm asking again: Is the blood real?
I'm confused.. Are you still defending it or not? David Blaine is a performer, It's an act, it's not real, It's a show. Tell me what part of this you are having trouble understanding. Do you know how magic works? No i call it a mental illness because they are slicing their backs to ribbons with knives attached to chains. Interestingly i hadn't even mentioned religion until you did. Did you know they were muslims because of their actions, or because of the quotes i provided explaining what kind of mentality leads someone to self harm? Do you know how much joy i get backing you guys into corners and watching you frantically run round in circles, trying to climb the walls, looking for a way out? Defeating the religious in dialogue is as easy as simply describing what it is they actually do and then leaving them to defend it or explain it.
And why should i defend them? You call it mental illness but i see it as performers. Indeed he is when he end up in hospital after standing 61 hours inside that ice cube, So those guys who perform in ashura day are performars too! Actualy the takyakhana with most extreme performers get the most audience. Thats why usualy some of those guys even get payed to perform on on some takyakhana's. I think you are confused and cant distinguish between mental disorder and performance? lol poor kid.
I think it is a mental disorder either way to want to cause harm to yourself. True harm too not just a little nipple pinching. David Blaine is not actually what I would call a magician or illusionist though since as you seem to be trying to say, he really does do endurance tests instead of any real "trick" these days. Regardless, he goes through these things with the utmost training and would have gone to the hospital after any stunt regardless because his goal is not actually to harm himself but to entertain. He isn't trying to actually hurt his body, pain and discomfort not being what I would consider true harm. These other guys are slashing their fucking backs open, even if they were all hopped up on morphine and didn't feel it, it is still intentionally harming yourself and indicates some sort of psychological disorder or at the very least the beginnings of one. I would guess David Blaine's personality issues are quite different, but like all of us I am sure he has his. I'm not sure why you take such heart to this debate M-2, do you hurt yourself?
I'll explain it to you one more time and if you still can't understand ill give some books on how to read and understand things written in simple English. What david blaine does is magic, it's purposeful deception. it's staged. it's a rouse. Every precaution is taken to ensure he doesn't come to harm and that no physical injury occurs. They are thrashing at their backs with knives attached to chains, And that it deliberate self harm with the intention of causing self harm. Sad and disturbing that you should find it entertaining to watch people mutilate their bodies.
You are hopeless dude. The guy is more stuntman than magician. Standing up 61 hours gonna hurt!And he knew about it and he done it! Also there are hundreds of other stunts like walking on fire etc.. where the person know he gonna hurt but just for money, attention , fame etc.. they perform it! Those shia guys perform it for attention, money, food , fame etc.. too! We can call it mental disorder if those guys were doing it just for pure enjoyment of cutting themselves, but thats not the case.
David Blaine's legs may have ached a bit after standing up, But it's hardly something which could be considered "self harm" because the point of it wasn't to cause harm to himself (i see i have to explain this simple concept to you yet again), Certainly not when compared to slicing your back to ribbons by trashing yourself with knives attached to chains. The fact that you are even trying to pass this off as an accurate comparison demonstrates how intellectually dishonest you are. Look what your religion has done to you, You should be ashamed. Do you really believe that standing up for a couple of days is, in any way, comparable to what is occurring in the image i posted?
The religion push life to be better. you can read my post to know if it is from religion or from their own selves. No doubt that you are full of hate against Islam, but what can we do to satisfy you? tell me, and tell me why shall we satisfy you as well?
I find all religion to be a disgusting abomination, a waste of human intellect and anti-progress, So don't think i'm singling out your particular bronze age myth. They all make me sick and we would be better off if they all disappeared and people were left to think for themselves and be responsible for themselves.
Evil voice : If self harm leads to a glimmer of joy in their pitiful lives, why not? Good voice : No. Beating and torturing ourselves is not right no matter what the purpose. Evil voice : You have a point. Why beat and torture yourself when you can beat and torture others. I see an antitheist, not an atheist. Subtle difference.
Ahh but we are not really talking about good and evil here but of psychological disorders. Everyone has their quirks and kinks, some more socially deviant or even perhaps personally impairing than others. I see your point though, you are trying to say it is better to harm yourself than another?
Self harm is better than wishing/inflicting harm upon others which seems less socially deviant and much more common [comparatively]. Though neither is desirable.
In the first place, God never told His people to hurt and inflict pain on themselves just so they could manifest repentance and intent to cleanse themselves of their sins. All the pain were already inflicted and all sufferings had already been carried by the Lord Jesus Christ Himself until He was nailed on the cross which led to our salvation. By His stripes we have already been healed; by His blood we have already been saved. The sadistic practice of people to flog themselves to the point of bleeding, is contrary to Jesus Christ's teaching of taking care of our body which He considers as His temple in everyone of us. In that sense, malpractices such as smoking and drunkenness are also considered sinful in that these practices inflict disorder and pain on the human body, effectively destructing God's temple in us. At the very least, inflicting personal harm on oneself, like outright suicide for that matter, is a blatant manifestation of psychological disorder and insanity of an individual.