Let's keep this whole 'land stealing' issue aside for a moment. If Israel removes the economic sanctions on Gaza and agrees to give back the territories it occupied during the numerous wars it has fought over the years, (WB, Gaza, Golan Heights) will the Arab Council agree to an unconditional acceptance of the State of Israel?
This argument doesn't hold. Do you think Hamas keeps firing those seemingly harmless rockets because they care about Israeli civilians? Do you think they wouldn't attack Israel with much bigger, better, sophisticated weapons IF they had the chance to do so? The point is not about who has the better weapons, etc. The point is - who is ready for talks and who is calling for 'total destruction'.
so was Shamir, who said: and and many other Israeli prime monsters, so what do you suggest? change any Palestinian Government even if democratically elected, until Israel have a Government that accept occupation, and all Israel terms for "Hitler's peace"?
You just proved that 70% don't even consider peace option and for them Israel is like cancer and should be wiped off the map.
Peace include end of settlements and withdrawal from WB and Gaza, and Golan Heights, do you agree? or you have other terms for peace?
Where did I say that the Palestinian government should accept Israeli occupation? I'm saying that Hamas is a fundamentalist, extremist, militant group that is not worth talking to. Peace talks, or any other negotiations for that matter, should be done between two democratically elected 'civilian' governments that are responsible and not call for the 'total destruction' of a country.
A similar argument was made when it was shown that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. I'm not saying Hamas is holding back...but the methods are similar, and the armament does not come close to matching up. This is a David and Goliath situation...except this time, Goliath wears the star of David. Israel may defeat Hamas, but today's invasion will haunt the peace process for years to come.
then lets hope we will see a democratically elected 'civilian' government in Israel, so far there was none.
Really? Let's think of a role reversal. If Hamas were in Israel's position with a superior military force, do you think they would have called for 'peace talks' with Israel?
All I'm saying is this - you cannot think of the possibility of peace talks with an entity that is hell bent to wipe you off the face of this planet. So, Hamas should be ousted from Gaza and there should be a responsible government that can negotiate with Israel and arrive at a peaceful solution.
again, this will depend on how each define the word peace. already Muslims and Jews lived in peace in this same lands before, Hamas came in 1987, so it can't be used as an excuse for not having peace, because there was no peace before they come, we should look to the bigger image as I said before, even Arafat, before he die was also used as an excuse for not having peace by the illegal state of Israel, and what we see now, happened before when Arafat and his movement, was the elected Government, they invaded Gaza, bombed it, even bombed Arafat offices and suggested that they assassinate him. so why they did not reach peace with Arafat? the answer is as you suggest, they do not want peace because they think their power, weapons, and made-in-US weapons, and their lobby in US can bring them their own version of peace. but not the real peace.
I don't know why imad is beating around the bush again. He supports hamas's cause of total destruction of israel. I asked him once straight out if he believes that Israel would have to not exist for there to be peace. Here He answered here. He started off answering with a pretty clear message and then went on with a garbled message of why Israel doesn't want peace. But don't let the main message get lost, he believes Israel needs to not exist in order to have peace. This isn't just some crazy guy on a web forum, people. This is the view shared by many people in that part of the world(and some in other parts of the world). It's a view that is surely shared by the ones who broke the ceasefire and fired rockets towards innocent civilians. Contedge, I know you already know this stuff because you've posted links showing hamas's stated goals. You know that their goal isn't peace. But unfortunately you can fool a lot of the people a lot of the time.
My point is simple. Hamas wants to establish an Islamic empire in that region. It is certainly not the right idea to say the least. Even if there is a bone of contention about the formation of Israel, it doesn't matter now. It has been done. You can't change the past. So, what I'm saying is, we should think of arriving at a peaceful solution. With Hamas' stand on this issue, I don't think it is possible. And your argument that Jews and Muslims coexisted before the formation of Israel doesn't hold as well. Even Hindus and Muslims coexisted in India before it was carved into two pieces to create the country of Pakistan to accommodate Muslims by the British. Let's move on.
I understand dude. That is precisely what I've been arguing about. My point is very clear. There is no possibility of a peace talk as long as Hamas exists.