Who said anything about 1967? I'm talking about 1948, and yes, I deny the validity of Israel's establishment. It has been nothing but a blight on the world. I have news for you, Ohad...Most jews live in secular countries and like it...Israel is a racist theocracy. By definition, the entire state of Israel is established in violation of Palestinian rights. A peculiar confluence of terrorism and Holocaust sympathy created it. And from the beginning, locals, international peacemakers, and non-compliant Jews have been slaughtered for the sake of this government, which has consistently chosen the hard line and created the terrorism you complain about. Not all Jews recognize Israel...read The Chosen.
It used to be, "you are no better than Hitler." I believe that's what they said to Phillip Roth. That shows how confused you are. Because I don't support your state, I am the same as a suicide bomber? You are insane. I am a peace activist and have never hurt a soul. I don't even eat meat. The UN that you give so much credence to, drafted a resolution condemning the bombings in Gaza. http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1174478
"yes, I deny the validity of Israel's establishment. It has been nothing but a blight on the world." You said you support in destruction of Israel. So yes, You are the same as Hamas, you have common evil and crazy goals. In fact, I know many Arabs better than you. At least few them recognize the state of Israel. Sorry, but you are a shame to the Jewish people.
hahahhaha..... I think that you - Ohad - a shame for the jewish people for supporting war and destruction . Seems that war and crims are in your blood .
You have no idea what are you talking about. This war is the necessary mean to defend Israel's citizns that under rockets attack every day, every minute, every second in the last 8 YEARS. What do you know at all? Let's see you survive a second under attack. So return to your playstation and play pokemon or whatever.
I am not bothered by your shame...I am more deeply ashamed for Israel. My belief that a political structure ought to be reformed is not equivalent to a goal of destruction. I wish for a peaceful resolution to the conflict, with as little blood shed as possible. The best solution would be the establishment of a fully secular state which treated all citizens as equals. A constitution which guarantees representation and equality regardless of ethnicity or religion. To conflate this attitude with rockets is, as I said before, insane. The government of Israel is evil with racial oppression and ought to be reformed or abolished. The people of Israel, Jewish and Arab, ought to live together in peace, or else relocate. The world must help this to occur.
Well .. I like playing Playstation and Pockemon games..lol . And I find it better than Killing Innoncents and destroying Universities and hospitals ..
Bla Bla Bla... All you know it's just talking form your tranquil homes out there... You have no clue about war. You have no clue about terrorists. All you know is buy the crap that the BBC sell you...
Be that as it may, I'll be spending my time convincing my fellow Americans that the time has come to cut off support for Israel, and put pressure on the new administration to adopt a bilateral policy toward peace. Perhaps we'll be able to get through to our new President and Secretary of State. The IDF is exactly the same as Hamas. They bomb malls, you bomb hospitals, mosques, and universities. They send untargeted firecrackers from Iran, you evacuate territories you do not govern and strafe them with jets paid for by the US. Now you have invaded with ground troops. It is prosaic to say so, but two wrongs do not make a right. Violence begets more violence. What Israel does today, out of political expediency and appeal to the hard line, will scar the world for years. We are light-years further from peace today than ever before. Instead of justifying these reprisals, you should be mourning the death of hope for a speedy peace in Gaza. When Kadima came to power, I had tremendous hope that they would bring back the peacemaking spirit of Rabin. I have wept many times that i has turned out not to be so. Instead, we see the worst incursion into Palestinian territory yet. I have lost hope for the two-state solution.
Amanamission wants true peace and has no hidden biases either way. When you can see things without a bias of any sorts you truely want a fair and equal peace. As far as terrorism there have been terrorists on both ends. The PLO comitted incredible acts of barbarism in lebanon as did the lebanese forces. Isreal had its Stern Gang among others. What we need now is a fair and lasting peace once and for all, and not a war that will keep the arms dealers and the arms makers on both sides profitable. Both people are losing precious lives each day, we need the peacemakers voices to be heard and reason to win out. I am sad and frustrated when all lives are being lost on both sides as i have friends from both ethnic groups but i cry the most for the families of the children on both sides that have lost their kids to this war. If only gandhi were alive today, im very sure he would be dispatched to that area to try to make peace with both sides
Precious lives? This is how what they think about their families (Read the bottom comments made by the Palestinian): - He's laughing because the Israeli planes didn't hit civilians, so he calls the Israeli army stupid. - He's happy because the next generation in Gaza will be a generation of suicide bombers (Is that really how you appreciate life, especially your children?) - He says that those lives (that were taken in this current war) don't matter to the Palestinians as their Allah is taking care of them and now they're in heaven. Yet, they like publishing pictures of dead people and saying that this is horrible. We actually get shocked by these pictures - because it is horrible, but the most horrible thing about this entire situation is the fact that they don't. They don't want peace, they want to destroy Israel - And that's why the USA is still helping Israel, we just can't let those sick bastards win.
Feelings , I can find posts about people on both sides that feel this way about the other, and no 100% no, this isnt the reason why we are helping Israel. When analysing anything try to forget about any media and propaganda. Again I ask who helped to create and fund Hamas and why. Trust me i have posted on both sides of this coin here. I have talked to a few israelis that loved Yitzak Rabin and a few that hated his guts because he promised what they thought was too much. Are we ready to give back America to the native american indians yet? Who helped to create Hamas and why? Trust me the Plo were no angels and they tried to take over lebanon and jordan, but because of both sides that whole region is a mess. There are many people on both sides that need a peace aggreement but its alot more complex then you think. There involved right of return, and something much more complicated then most of us realize here: WATER RIGHTS: which part of that area contains the neccessary amount of water here. Try to do some research on Yitzak Rabin and Hamas together. It might shock you. Out of everyone on both sides Rabin was the true hero and turned out to be the most passionate. Arafat was only there for the ride. why was Rabin taken out by one extremist who happened to get through an almost non existant security umbrella that had been so conveniently laxed around him. Was that also the palestinians fault
You're right, however I'm assuming you're not going to decide what to do now based on what happened in the 70's. Nowdays Iran is funding Hamas, giving them supplies and helps them fight Israel. I wouldn't be surprised if they even train them or plan how they'll fight against Israel.
What needs to be done now is an admittance of the truth so that people on both sides of the fence will not be fooled again. Moderate palestinians and israelis that dont listen to fox news allready know this. What i think is gonna happen now is that israel is gonna try to mop up its mistake(Hamas) and hopefully make peace with the abbas government, but the problem is how many innocent people on both sides have died because of this " not such a big deal" mistake that happened in the 70's.
I have a question for you. A person slaps me and I slap him back. Now - are we both 'equally' at fault?
As soon as Hamas is out for good and a proper Palestinian government rises that doesn't say 'Death to Israel' peace will happen.
try to look at the bigger image, and not be limited in short naive view, it depends, why that person slapped you, if it was because you came to kick him out of his home then steal it? then he did no fault, in fact he should shot you.
I hear this simplistic reasoning all the time...the answer is, probably. Why did the first slap occur? Are we to believe it was unprovoked? And who said that the Palestinians slapped first, anyway? This slapping has been going on for so long, it's hard to say. If I had to pinpoint a first slap, I'd say it was the 1948 war. Israel is doing everything to portray an innocent victim stance. Actually, Israeli sanctions and meddling in internal Gaza politics have brought Hamas to this point. The rockets fired on Israel have not brought about nearly the damage that the airstrikes and now ground attack have caused. A better question would be: if a person slaps me, and I run to my car and grab an Uzi and shoot him and everyone else in the room, are we equally at fault?