All the truth about Islam

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  2. dvirhazout

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    she's just smart.
    you should all see this vid
     
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    Radical Islam is like the elephant in the living room. Everyone knows it, but ignores it for obvious reasons.
     
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    British Catholic Priest Converted To ISLAM


    Family Member of 9/11 Victims Converts to Islam

    NBC NEWS: 20000 Americans Convert To ISLAM Each Year !


    CNN News: 1.5 Million Americans coverted to ISLAM in USA


    Fox News: Many Youth Christian Americans Turning To ISLAM


    Thousands of danish People turning to Islam in Denmark


    ISLAM: The Fastest Growing Religion In The World


    Another Jewish Woman Converts to Islam


    Jewish Convert To Islam

    American teen reverted to Islam


    CANADIAN GIRL REVERTED TO ISLAM


    US Sergeant converts to Islam, Marries Iraqi woman


    Finnish Science Researcher Converts To ISLAM in Dubai


    Christian professor Converted to ISLAM


    The Famous French Coach Philip Trousye Converted To ISLAM


    37 Korean Troops Convert To ISLAM


    Fox News: American Woman Converted To ISLAM After 9/11


    From Atheism to Belief: A Journey to Islam in North America by Dr. Jeffrey Lang (Part 11/17)


    Six young people accept Islam together in Berlin Germany


    TV Report: Latinos Leaving The Church And Turning To ISLAM


    VOA News 200,000 Hispanics converted to ISLAM in USA


    TV Report: Muslims in Russia Growing in Number Rapidly


    TV Report On ZDF: Successful German Lawyer Embraced ISLAM


    Ex Racist Christian found the Beauty of ISLAM .. Part 1


    A German Physician and His Wife Converted to Islam


    German Doctor and his Wife converted to ISLAM


    Celebrity Converts To ISLAM


    non muslims western girls converting to Islam.


    Jermaine Jackson found Happiness and inner Peace in ISLAM


    Famous Muslims you had never expected!


    38. Famous people who converted to islam ..


    4. NBC WHY 20,000 Americans convert to Islam annually


    german brother accepts islam


    Three 3 french sisters convert to islam


    French woman talks about becoming Muslim


    Islam in Nederland (Part 2)


    The biggest Malaysian Priest Catholic convert to Islam.


    British Catholic Priest Converted To ISLAM



    NATIONAL FRONT MAN REVERTED TO ISLAM


    U.S. officer in Baghdad Reverted to Islam (New Muslim)


    US Sergeant converts to Islam


    Converts to islam 70000 every year in France


    A 75 Year Old American Lady explains why she choose ISLAM


    A Catholic TV asked Yusuf Estes- Why he Converted to Islam


    Converted from Christianity to ISLAM see why


    Many Christian Africans Convert To ISLAM in South Africa


    Holland TV_ISLAM fastest spreading Faith among Youth Germans

    Yet another white woman reverts to Islam


    Rachel From England Embraced ISLAM


    To be continue ...
     
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  6. Ibn Juferi

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    yeah it gets boring, nothing new

     
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    Teliasonera, if you only tell us: Why so many muslims flee their countries if Islam was producing such great societies, and if Islam gives so much wisdom and knowladge to its followers why the best scientist are westerners? If Islams gives it all to its followers why the west has the best Universities in which many muslims go to study?
    If Islam is the best of all religions why western civilizations have much better organized and more advanced societies than the Islamic ones?
    Just a few questions for discussian. If you don't like the truth just ignore them.
     
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    aam_aam Banned

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    I trully commend this effort, Bravo!
     
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    aam_aam Banned

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    You are spot on that Muslim societies are in bad condition, there is poverty and they are backward in education and research..............but it is not Islam's fault, because there is no where in its teaching that Muslims should not learn etc. In fact although, Islam started since almost 1400 years, but i think apart from the initial 300-400 years Islam has not been practised.

    If there are Muslim majority in a country, doesn't mean that it is an Islamic Republic. In the earlier stages of Islam there were many great scholars, scientists, philosophers, doctors and inventors like Al-Beruni, and many others. But later on, the Islamic law has been left and apart from couple of countries i don't find its application.

    So yes i do agree that Muslims are not living in great conditions all around the world, but i don't think that Isalm has anything to do with it!
     
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    The problem is the limited productivity when half of the population (women) are forbidden to work, and the men who do work have to pray 5 times a day and spend a percentage of the year malnourished for religious reasons.

    Religious obligation isn't conducive with productivity. If i had to employ someone it certainly wouldn't be someone who, By choice, Had to stop 5 times a day to talk to himself and periodically starved himself.
     
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    You know algorithm? It's from Al-Khawarizmiy
    You know Algebra? It's from Alkhawarizmy
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Mūsā_al-Khwārizmī
    You know Alchemy? It's from Al-Kimya, Jabr Ibn Haiyyan
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geber
    You know Avicenna? It;s Ibnu Sinna
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avicenna
    You know Alhacen? It's Ibnu Al Haytam
    11th century Iraqi scientist, father of optics, pioneer of scientific method and experimental physics, considered the "first scientist"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Haytham


    There are more... and counting :)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists
     
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    women are not forbidden to work, they are not supposed to work to pay for their homes. Men must help their women and pay for them.

    the day is 24 hours, and during this period, there are 5 prayer.

    So I don't expect a person to work for 24 hours without rest!


    Best wishes.
     
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    And i don't expect them to pray during their sleep. I have worked with enough muslims to know that time is taken out of their working day for prayers, As do you. And as such this activity will reduce their productivity. it's common sense and a factual reality, Don't embarrass yourself by denying it.

    In England (given the times it gets dark) the rules they have to follow regarding when to pray can mean they have to leave their work on three separate occasions during the working day at times when breaks aren't permitted (plus of course their standard breaks). at midday, When shadows are twice the length as the object casting them and at sunset. with each prayer taking upto 10 minutes to say, and giving 3 minutes to get to and from the area they have set aside to pray in, We are losing over 3/4 of a hour, per day, per muslim of productivity.

    That means muslims, As a collective, Are less productive by a factor of 1 billion man hours per day compared to any other group of the same number. So it's hardly surprising that, As amm_amm said; "Muslim societies are in bad condition, there is poverty and they are backward in education and research".

    get off your knees and get back to work.
     
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    why then many western manufacture are run in where majority of the people are muslim?
    like malaysia and indonesia?
    check your intel processor, maybe it labeled made in malaysia, or maybe your seagate harddsik... made in malaysia or your memory chip?
    while in indonesia we have samsung, sharp, sagem, fuji and panasonic

    and they do have breaks for prayers.

    loss of production? they should left years ago.

    get off my knees and start to work with fresh start.
     
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    Firms go to those countries because labour is cheap, Nothing more. Firms look at how much production they get per $100, Not per person. They are simply taking advantage of a poor economy and low paid labour. Not really something to be proud of.
     
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    A half-quote from amm_amm. You fail to mention that he also mentions the following:

    And you make it out as though he agrees with you, which is a false assertion.

    As for your comments about the prayers, I don't think you know what you are talking about. During the standard working hours (which is between 8am - 5pm), there are only TWO prayers out of the five that Muslims are supposed to perform. Each do not take more than 5 - 6 minutes. How is that going to have any impact on productivity? If you haven't seen a Muslim pray, or have knowledge about the Islamic prayer, then don't bother posting your uninformed nonsense here.

    Wrong again. Manufacturers don't go to Indonesia or Malaysia to set up shop because its cheap. They set up shop here because these countries have the INFRASTRUCTURE. If they had wanted cheap, China or India are better alternatives.
     
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    I made no suggestion that no muslims are productive, I made the point that generally, As a whole, Islamic countries have a poorer economy, which MUST be effected by the fact that they have to have time off work to pray. It doesn't matter how much of an effect you think that time off has, It does have an effect.

    It doesn't matter how much time they have off, on their knees, wailing to some imaginary god. The fact that they work less means they are less productive. it's a mathematical fact that working for 7 hours will produce less than working for 8 hours.
     
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    That is your bias talking. You have no idea how Muslims pray and yet you still insist on this assertion that it somehow "affects" production. Two prayers x 5 minutes each totals up to around 10 minutes at the most. It does not even total up to an hour :rolleyes: Its a waste of time trying to argue with you, so I am leaving.

    P.S.: Muslims don't "wail" in their prayers either, further evidence that you don't know what you are talking about.
     
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    None of that matters. The fact is working less reduces productivity. If praying takes time, which it does, it reduces productivity.
     
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