Atheists can go to heaven too!!

lol its ok if you think so!! I don't care hehe..

 

You seem to be ignorant of what design is. If you understood what a closed loop system is, you would see it present in so many aspects of biological life and you would also understand that it is not a product of entropy but a product of design.

Back to the topic, we all go to heaven, if we end up before the bema seat of Christ we stay, if we end up before the white throne of judgment we don't stay there. We can all chose the free gift of salvation before going to heaven or we can reject the gift.

 

poor, poor ignorant fools, wasting their lives on nonsense.

 

An argument from design is a logical fallacy, Regardless of how obvious you think that apparent design is.

Quite a leap you made there from assuming because something looks designed that it must be, to knowing which of the thousands of proposed designers was responsible.

Wont you look silly if you turn up at this supposed "heaven" only to find allah sitting there asking where your beard and circumcised penis is.

 

I think it's ridiculous that anyone could think that they understand life and the Universe enough to be able to draw such a profound conclusion as the existence of God. We, humans, don't know absolutely anything compared to what there is to know. We don't know what life is. We don't know anything about the Universe, our galaxy, our solar system, our Earth, or even ourselves. We exist on a bit of dust, which orbits an unremarkable star, in one of billions of galaxies, in a 95 billion light year-wide Universe, which is expanding at the speed of light. We don't know how or why the Universe appeared, or whether or not it is one of many in a 'Multiverse'. Indeed, all we know is that we don't know anything. Even so, we have people on our tiny little speck-of-dust planet who think that they conclusively understand, with their tiny little minds, how and why everything exists! Apparently, it was all God's doing.

Pingpong123, you say that the Universe, ". . . couldnt have come about by random chance . . ." Well, you might be surprised to hear that science makes no such claim. No-one knows how or why the Universe came into being. The Big Bang only explains its 'birth' and subsequent expansion.

 

I should've added in my last post that there are theories as to how and why the Universe began. However, as of yet, no evidence has been submitted to substantiate the claims.

Put very generally, according to one model called M-theory, the Universe and everything it contains is attached to a membrane, which 'floats' in an extra-dimensional space, along with other such membranes. Two of these membranes collided 13.7 billion years ago, producing a Big Bang in each membrane, which replenished each membrane's matter and radiation content. In this idea, the Universe is one of many universes, all of which reside in the Multiverse, which has existed forever.

 

Looking at the world from an engineer's perspective, I marvel at so many engineered natural phenomena and have to concede to God. You can chose to believe that randomness designed all the order of the universe and call yourself scientific. So since you are not from the intelligence camp, do you believe in random design or random non-design?

Not much of a leap. God only left a small leap to allow those who want to reject him the free will option to do so.

I am ready to stand befor the true and living God.

 

I believe there to be natural processes which can give rise to mechanisms which have the impression of design to those who lack the education required to understand the processes. Richard Dawkins book the blind watch maker addresses this, I suggest you read it.

By the way, Stop pretending anyone believes randomness alone is responsible, it's disingenuous and dishonest. I'm sure your little book has something to say about lying.

no it's a huge leap to go from defending deism to adhering to theism. You may not have had an education sufficient enough to allow you to understand the natural processes of the universe, But to go from thinking there must be a "designer" to believing he wrote a book and which particular book it was is a leap so vast i can't even see what thought process would lead you to it.

 

So what in addition to randomness what creates the perceived design in things like hand eye coordination?

By the way, I am not persuaded that those that call themselves atheist honestly believe God doe not exist. I believe they either want him not to exist or just don't want to be accountable to Him. But I won't jump to calling you a liar as you did me.

Glad to see you are at least at deism now.

If you choose to not believe you would have trouble believing. If God created a hand that can write and an eye that can read, He certainly could inspire 40 authors to write 66 books in three languages on three continents over 1500 years that could be compiled into one "little" book that is consistent

 

So utterly wrong - most creationists / design theorists usually state something like this, and in most cases they pick something like the eye to show that it must have been designed - i.e. all these parts coming together so perfectly it had to be design, right??

WRONG - the eye is far from perfect -do you think that something set a design for the eye and then just decided to incorporate a blind spot just for a laugh? If you look at pretty much any complex organ you will see imperfections / flaws - this is because evolution is ongoing...

 

not to mention the biggest imperfection of all: WE DIE

 

Evolution by natural selection is the specific process responsible for physical attributes of animals.

 

Perfect and flawed are relative terms. Especially when applied to the human condition as opposed to some arbitrary notion of optimum functionality. To call death and imperfection implies an understanding of the cycle of death and life you could not possibly have. You haven't died yet for starts, and to follow that up you cannot see all effects of your death or all the possible effects of your lack of death and so you cannot say, as if it is fact, that death is an imperfection in the design. Only that you are scared of it.

 

who cares. live life while you have it! spend more time living it then worrying about it! get out more. let go more. and dont let anything stop you wooooo! hippie life ftw!!

 

Rock and roll. Once saw a book called Be Here Now. I thought that was pretty good advice.

 

lets all just sit round a fire smoke a huge joint and sing the night away..... coombaiiyaa my lord coommbiiyaa someone's smoking my lord coombiiyyaa.....

 

I see thick white smoke making a hallow around your head Are you almighty, by any chance?