That kind of sad story, vector. I am sorry. I always think if everyone treated gay/lesbian like they treat straight one, so no or less gay/lesbian have to hide their sexuality.. so this story will not happen. let's gay/lesbian marry with someone they love. let's them has the equality like other people have it. If other people think gay/lesbian are normal, so they also can have children and there is no problem about shame or two dads, two moms because people are people and not different and feel that as a normal. But many many people still think that they are not normal and think that gay/lesbian effect their lifes, their kids, their society.
That's quite a sad story. A sad story, but a preventable one should society ever decide to give it a rest and let people be who they are.
Its strange were on this guy or straight argument!! The first thing to say that whether you are guy or straight has nothing to do with whether you are moral or immoral Whether you are guy or not is just a simple question of sexual orinentation There's nothing more to it than that When it comes to having a family it really depends what the options are Just because you have a "mam" and "dad" doesnt mean you have a good upbringing - it all depends on the circumstances Some traditional relationships can be excellent for kids - but unfortunately in life things often go wrong You dad might work away or their might be frequent arguments - even fights. In the worse case senario drunkeness, abuse, violence etc So when you are saying, are hetrosexual relationships best for bringing up kids or is there a problem with a homosexual couple, then you have to bear in mind what exactly you are comparing with what I have seen both sides of the coin - good single sex parenthood and truly aweful hetrosexual parenting At the end of the day what people need more than anything is "love" Anyone that can show love and keep the right balance between love and discipline, can be a good parent. Of course there's more to than that, but a good loving home, whoever the parents are, or whatever their sexual orientation, has to go a long way
I agree with you, winningratings. Having two mothers or two fathers, or having the "traditional" family of a mom and dad doesn't constitute good or bad parenting. It's how they parent their children that matters, not their sexual orientation. If we were to take away parenting rights from gay couples, why not take parenting rights away from divorced parents? Honestly, I think splitting up a family and home is a lot more detrimental to a child's well being than being raised by a gay couple, if we were to go that route. I'm just trying to point out how ridiculous the arguement against gay parenting is.
I think it's even more ridiculous when people think that children with gay parents will "turn" gay themselves
I agree. No one can "turn" gay. That's like saying someone can turn straight. We are what we are from birth, and for a person to talk about homosexuality as a disease makes them not only ignorant, but in denial. Sorry, there's no pill to cure what we are. Unfortunately, the stigma against homosexuals in society can force many into hiding, denying who they truly are to please some intolerant idea of what normal actually is.
Until we know why people are gay, I don't think we can safely say that you can't "turn gay".You may well be right, but until more research is done, we can't say anything with any certainty.Are people born gay? You may think so but we don't know. A combination of events in infancy may determine the outcome of a person's orientation.We just don't know. Until we know for sure, we can't slam other opinions and dismiss them, especially since they are based on as much fact as our own.It is all speculation at this point. I don't think the real question is whether gay people are up to the job of being parents.The ability to care for and love another person isn't dictated by your sexual preference.We know this because gay people have long-term committed relationships just as straight people do. I think the real question is whether a child is mentally capable of being reared by a homosexual couple.Our upbringing affects us mentally and can affect the person we become in later life. Ingrained in all people is the knowledge of how they came to be and that is through heterosexual reproduction.I say heterosexual in that it is a man/woman event, not necessarily a straight man/straight woman event. If you think of humans in animal terms (which we are but we often forget), heterosexual couples are NORMAL parents.Now wait!Before everyone goes mad....let me finish For a homosexual couple to become parents, something has gone against our innate behaviour since homosexual couples cannot procreate.All of us are born with the knowledge that we have a mother and a father. It is the same knwoledge of how the species reproduces that may lead us to have children ourselves later in life. Now forget adoption,surrogacy,IVF etc. These are all modern techniques that we have developed rapidly in recent years. What hasn't evolved is our mind. I think that this inherited expectancy to have a hetersexual parent set MAY cause mental change in children when their actual parents are homosexual. Of course when they are old enough to understand, they will be told (or will figure it out) that they do in fact have a mum and a dad, although by that time, a lot of their mental development will already have been set in stone. I wouldn't like to guess at whether this would have a negative or positive impact on a child.Perhaps it wouldn't have an affect at all. But knowing the way humans work as a species, it is definitely something to think about. I think with parenting you need to get beyond the gay/straight debate and look at what will benefit the child the most. No doubt research will let us know in time
No, you are so wrong. Many monkey couple are homosexual. Also in dogs, ducks, birds and many kind of animal are homosexual. You better find the book about 2 male penguins couple, roy and silo, "link". It's true story and very cute. They don't have children, but...... oh you should read the book. very funny.
You've misunderstood me tonyinabox.I am well aware that homosexuality exists in many species of animal. I just checked out that book. Reading age 4-8....I must get a copy sometime
Ideas_man, you make some very interesting points but I must comment on something. Heterosexual couples have the ability to procreate, yes. However, that does not necessarily make them "normal" parents. Becoming a parent means a lot more than just having the ability to create a child. You give over your life to raise that child, to ensure they are fed, clothes, sheltered, protected, etc. There are plenty of "parents" that don't understand that concept. I say, it doesn't matter what you are, gay or straight -- if you have the ability to parent a child, then you are a parent. It doesn't matter if you were able to create that child through natural means.
No I think you've misunderstood what I meant.A man and a woman form a normal breeding pair. I'm not talking about their ability to raise a child, I'm saying that biologically we all have a mother and a father and we expect that. As I mentioned in my post .... I have no doubt that you can get both excellent and terrible parents from both orientations.I was coming from the angle of the child who may expect to have a heterosexual parent set. I'm talking on a primal level.The level on which our minds still work despite how much we've advanced technologically in the past century.We have advanced faster than we can evolve.We have warm clothes and central heating, yet in Winter as a species, we gain weight with anticipation of the cold weather.Despite perfumes and modern day fragrances, humans can still detect the most genetically suitable partner through smell.It's this "default" knowledge in humans to which I am referring.
The Bible was written by man yes. However, it is inspired by God. Homosexuality was first mentioned in the Bible at Genesis 19 where it reads: Now the two angels arrived at Sod′om by evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sod′om. When Lot caught sight of them, then he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the earth. And he proceeded to say: “Please, now, my lords, turn aside, please, into the house of YOUR servant and stay overnight and have YOUR feet washed. Then YOU must get up early and travel on YOUR way.†To this they said: “No, but in the public square is where we shall stay overnight.†But he was very insistent with them, so that they turned aside to him and came into his house. Then he made a feast for them, and he baked unfermented cakes, and they went to eating. Before they could lie down, the men of the city, the men of Sod′om, surrounded the house, from boy to old man, all the people in one mob. And they kept calling out to Lot and saying to him: “Where are the men who came in to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have intercourse with them.†Finally Lot went out to them to the entrance, but he shut the door behind him. Then he said: “Please, my brothers, do not act badly. Please, here I have two daughters who have never had intercourse with a man. Please, let me bring them out to YOU. Then do to them as is good in YOUR eyes. Only to these men do not do a thing, because that is why they have come under the shadow of my roof.†At this they said: “Stand back there!†And they added: “This lone man came here to reside as an alien and yet he would actually play the judge. Now we are going to do worse to you than to them.†And they came pressing heavily in on the man, on Lot, and were getting near to break in the door. So the men thrust out their hands and brought Lot in to them, into the house, and they shut the door. But they struck with blindness the men who were at the entrance of the house, from the least to the greatest, so that they were wearing themselves out trying to find the entrance. This was happening way before the Romans were about. Marketing? For what can I ask?
God has the right and he will fix all of these things. It says so in the Bible. However, God is very generous in offering everyone the opportunity to not do the things that displeases him. In fact, God has given us humans 6,500 years to turn ourselves around and live in harmony with his principles. How is that for patience? Don't forget what I said earlier. Hate the sin, not the sinner. I know it must be difficult for homosexuals to find a place in this world and be fully accepted but it's just not going to happen. The main point I am making is that our God is perfect in Wisdom, Power, Justice and Love. If he says to do or not to do then there must be an excellent reason for it.
People who try to argue from "God's" perspective frustrate me. Let's all agree to disagree, then. Not everyone dictates their life by an unseen force said to be all powerful. Not everyone believes in God. You can believe what you want, but I think it's only right to let others do the same.
I couldn't have said it better myself. There will always be a disagreement between those who follow God's perspective and those who make decisions on their own, because there is no way for them to logically argue against each other.
Sounds like philosophy to me. Just keep travelling on the merry-go-round people. Maybe one day you will want to get off it. I sure hope you do for your benefit. BTW. This thread was asking a question. Are you saying I don't have the right to answer that question?
Sorry, I thought you were jumping on Denise's bandwagon. I hope my comments do not lead you to think I am judging you or anyone of that persuasion. I am merely delivering a message of hope for all people from God's word. It's my job to do so. If I don't, I am bloodguilty which means I will be cut off just as it says so.
Great Post I know I was born gay, but you're right. Is homosexuality genetic? How when does it develop, these are all questions that are being asked...and I don't think many people are actually researching it. It's controversial, and there's no benefit. Once we discover what causes it, what's next? Creating a cure for homosexuality? That's an even larger violation of human rights in my opinion. What if you could find out if you baby was gay? And then change him? Isn't that akin to an abortion? On you second point about gay parenting, I don't think it's the child not being able to handle it. Children are resiliant and growing up in an enviroment makes them familiar with it. They don't know what's "normal". The question rather is can society handle gay parents? And you're right, the basic meaning of life is to survive, consume and procreate. Homosexuality doesn't make sense. But neither do alot of things that we do. Like religion