WARNING- the following post is LONG, if you intend to reply to it, read it all, if you are too lazy, please move on, thank you. why is it "not their land to seize" by the way? it is the historic homeland of the jews, and the only place where jews can have a state of their own and not feel like they're in exile, also, at the time that the zionist immigration began, the land of israel was scarcely populated, most of the people who now call themselves "native palestinians" were just immigrants who came following the zionist immigration because it offered jobs, because of the influx of capital into the area. When Mark Twain visited the "Holy Land" in the 19th century, he was greatly disappointed. He didn't see any people. He referred to it as a vast wasteland. The land we now know as Israel was practically deserted, no "native palestinians" in sight before the war in 1948 (which the palestinians started) the jews took NOTHING by force, the arab peasants in the palestine mandate had no right to claim the whole area as their own- the jews simply built their villages in places that werent currently inhabited- they had the approval of the balfour declaration to do so, there is NOTHING illegitimate about that- also, Baron rotschield also bought lands for the jewish immigrants in the palestine mandate, the only thing illegitimate is the "palestinian" peasants (who had no "palestinian" nationality feelings at the time) saying everything belongs to them i'd like to stress this fact as well- NEVER, in the history of mankind, was there EVER a "state of palestine" or an attempt made by palestinians to establish a state of their own, palestinian Nationality was practically invented between the years 1920-1948 lets look at the facts- the palestine mandate was a piece of defeated ottoman empire, the british promised to make it a homeland for the jews, but in 1922 winston churcill gave 80% of it to the arabs (modern day jordan) jordan would be a palestinian state if that's all the arabs wanted but they dont in 1947 the UN divided the remaining 20% into a proposed arab state and a jewish state (ridiculous, the palestinians already have a state, why another?) although 60% of the proposed israel was arid desert, the israelis accepted it and worked to develop it the arabs didnt accept it if they were willing to acept an arrangement in which they recieved 90% of the palestine mandate, there would be no middle east conflict but one sixth of one percent of the middle east for the jews was, obviously, too much. infact, the "peaceful/ innocent " palestinians were intent on commiting genocide- Quote: -Hassan al-banna, founder of the muslim brotherhood the Middle east conflict is not about land, although arabs try to justify their war by saying that the jews stole their land and occupied it. these claims are completely false most of the arabs who fled during the 1948 war did it because they were encouraged to do so by their own governments, some fled because they feared being killed in the crossfire, and hoped to return to their homes after the jews were exterminated- to their bewilderment the handful of jews refused to be slaughtered like lambs by the 5 invading arab armies and kicked their asses there was no ethnic cleansing, no forced expulsion. mahmoud Abbas, the president of the palestinian authority also agrees with me- Quote: -taken from Falastin al-thawra, the official journal of the PLO in beirut, 1976 i think the most important fact that shows there was no ethnic cleansing, is that over a milion arabs chose to stay, and they got citizenship in israel- surely not what the evil zionists would do if they applied ethnic cleansing? if the zionists were evil and ruthless occupiers as arab leaders and leftists claim, why would they acept 1 million arabs as it's citizens and give them more civil rights than they recieve in almost any arab country? the Palestinian cause is NOT about self determination some people claim the conflict is about the palestinians desiring self-determination and statehood, and israel's refusal to grant it both of these claims are lies. the palestinians were offered a state both in 1948 and 2000 (in addition to their other state in jordan) both times they responded with violence The middle east conflict is about the destruction of the jews in fact, the arabs dont make it a secret that their goal is to genocide the jews- Quote: Mufti el-Husseini, the grand mufti of Jerusalem, a highly respected arab leader at the time, and one of the worst Nazi collaborators, called for Jihad against Jews in a 1943 broadcast from Radio Berlin during the height of the Holocaust: Quote: He then stated: Quote: i see no reason why we should allow any palestinian to return to the homes they fled, or the establishment of a palestinian state- this would be quite simply a war with insurance- they try to genocide us, they fail, then they get back whatever they lost in the war, and try again- this is ridiculous. BIG IMPORTANT EDIT- after reading some of the posts in previous pages, such as posts writted by J3sse and Sythe, i realize there is no point even debating here because these sad people are indoctrined to believe that Zionists control the world, and are just poor, sad antisemites i hope what i've wrote so far would reach some sensible people and make them understand that you have to be Blind or brainwashed to support the palestinians That was the post. Iggysick, gworld, imnt, What do you have to say about that?
Complete biased crap. Hardly worth wasting any time. Line up all quotes from zionists from that time and than we can talk.
I've already read this on other place and agree with any word of it. I hope those people who hate so much Israel not realize some things.
No, crap is crap: Take this for example: This isn't crap for you? Did he provided sources for this? Did he interviewed those refugees so that he can claim something like:"some fled because they feared being killed in the crossfire, and hoped to return to their homes after the jews were exterminated"? How can he knows anything about their hopes? Where are proofs of what he is claiming? Usually in wars people flee because they are afraid for lives of their families. And usually after wars civilians are allowed to return to their homes but not in Israel,right? Like I said, ultra biased crap.
weeeeeeeeeee this indeed long propaganda, even though it has been debunked earlier on this forum, but it worth to repeat it for new posters including you, I hope in return, you will go to that forum, and post my reply of course Zionists would feel like home when they expel people from their own historical home land then claim it as their own, so I do not think their feelings after that would matter? but why they felt in exile before, was it a result of other nations hate Jews? or was it because they failed to integrate in every community they lived in, due to their actions? this worth that you go back to history and study each case of the about 200 cases and see in what different the current case is? how being a foreign entity with armed to to teeth would make you feel like belonging to here and make you feel like "home"? you can check history and statistics, but here, I would like to quote Ben Gurion the first prime monster of the illegal state of Israel when he said: 88% were Arabs, even the 12% Jews where in fact immigrants found in Palestine a shelter from the Russian anti-Judaism. if Ben Gurion was a crazy terrorist and liar as the most of Israeli prime monsters, then here is another source: Mark Twain: note that it can be understood from his quotes that Greece was also empty, and.. for more about Mark Twain and his visit: Quoting Mark Twain out of context on Palestine should I go on and continue the rest of this propaganda? so far all the info he said were lies.. if you want me to go on, just ask
No no, go ahead, and please respond to every word and sentence that post has. I want you to respond to everything it says, word by word.
sure.. The fact that by May 1948 the Zionists already attacked and occupied large parts of the lands allocated to Palestinians by UN partition plan: source
This can be classified as old Zionists propaganda which been debunked long ago, but its still being used as I can see by some, the question: has been answered in full details here, from which I'd like to quote: still want me to go on, what do you have to say about it so far?
And I want you to provide sources for every single claim in your OP and than I will respond to everything it says, word by word.
I don't really want to hear you at all... Imad: So basically you're saying that there were 12% Jews, 88% Arabs, and yet the Jews managed to take everything by force with time, and the Arabs were hopeless? Don't you give too much credit to one side?
Of course you don't. It's really annoying when someone post facts that debunk crap you post so I guess that makes you to feel that way. It doesn't work that way. If you don't want your nonsense to be debunked go and post to some of zionists forums and have fun there.
that was in 1914 not in 1948 as my post clearly says, that's when the Jews found a safe shelter in Palestine, the illegal Zionists immigration to Palestine continued and Arabs expressed that danger, I think you know too that the British helped the Zionists and armed them against the Palestinians. so far all in that post is proven lies, do you still think its a good post? and did you post my replies back on that froum, at least for the purpose of discussing it?
His not interested in discussing anything as I can see. He lives in his dreams and only needs confirmation for those dreams and not someone who will burst his bubble.
Iggs has been spreading his islamic propaganda since he first arrived. If you can stomach it, go back and read some of his old posts. They are no different than those of today. They are all the same: islam is great Israel and America are evil terrorists are cool and misunderstood at least 90%, if not more, of his posts in P&R are in defense of his religion and the terrorist acts committed on it's behalf.
Yay religion! Only religion could make people with some f the hottest chicks on the planet want to fight and kill each other. P.S. Just heard on the news, Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei issued a religious decree to Muslims around the world to defend palestinians I'm sure Iran is in the process right now of sending "food and water " to Gaza already
Find a single post of me where did I say that Islam is great and I will pay you $1000. Put your money where your money is if you adre. Both me and you know the answer on this challenge. No worries, I will find all your posts where you lied that I am muslim and post all info about me and than we will see who is actually dishonest person on this forum.