No Military = No Terrorist

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by desertst0rm, Nov 2, 2008.

  1. desertst0rm

    desertst0rm Peon

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    #21
    I'm taking a close look at the world and read up on many different scenarios that's why I post this. Military and Terrorist is a never ending conspiracy.

    Who is the enemy of the terrorist? It's the Government, Correct me if I'm wrong.
    Instead of attacking and wasting funds attacking an innocent civilian why don't they attack the government directly to win the war?

    OK let's put it this way, instead of removing the military remove the court martial instead, In case you don't know that soldiers are out of civil court jurisdiction. Soldiers don't have a choice they must always follow orders at all time. Disobeying an officer in charge and the chain of command is a very big crime in the military. The purpose of having the court martial is to control the soldiers exposing their dirty work. Soldiers involved in non-military crimes will be subject for trial in civil court but the civil court can punished them.
     
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    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    #22
    One big cause of terrorism is secretly overthrowing democratically elected leaders in 3rd world countries like we did with iran in 1953 with the very popular mossadegh and i was even shocked to see an exert from a you tube video of the author of all the shahs men when one of the american hostages was screaming at his captor right before he was released about why they took them hostage as they didnt harm anyone. The hostage taker responded by asking him to remember 1953 where our government took the freedom of the iranian people away from them.

    I was more shocked to learn that the cia in 1953 bombed a mullahs house , killed the mullah in the bombing and had the blame pinned in mossadgh, inciting a very angry mob against mossadegh.

    I thought we were supposed to support democracy in 3rd world countries not destroy it?
     
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  3. hostlonestar

    hostlonestar Peon

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    #23
    Thats true in fact. Guess what? I work for CID, if someone comes to me reporting a crime (i.e. unlawful order) if that crime they are ordering them to commit carries a maximum penalty of one year in confinement or more, or death, then I am duty bound to investigate it. Guess what? I don't report to anyone other than CID. Those things don't come from the top like you think they do, those orders come from the senior commander of a unit (i.e. abu ghrab or however its spelled)

    You do have a clear line of what is lawful and what is not, its calle...oh, the LAW.

    And you will not be put in confinement, you will not get killed for it. The military has only had one death order signed by the president since the late 1960's, and that was recently, and that guy is not actually going to be killed. I ask you this, what real world military experience do you have, especially when it comes to disobeying unlawful orders? You do know what the media is right? They will be all over it like white on rice. No chance of it just being chalked up as disobeying a lawful order

    When you deploy you get a JAG briefing, and they explain what is and what isn't allowed, if it aint allowed, don't follow the order telling you to do it, and you report it higher. If all else fails, call your congressman. Thats just what a commander needs, a congressional inquiry.
     
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    hostlonestar Peon

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    #24
    How can a soldier be out of civil court jurisdiction and at the same time subject to a trial by civil court?

    The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) is in place because certain offenses that the military has (i.e. Article 92, failure to obey a lawful order, Article 86, Absent without Leave, Mutiny, malingering, just to name a few) are in place because there is no equivalent civilian law. It used to be if I went off post and murdered someone, I was charged under the UCMJ for the crime. Now, unless it is a soldier, or like 6 of 12 other things, it will be the civilian court jurisdiction. Courts Martial are also open to the public, unless things of national security are being talked about, then, the court room is vacated to allow the talk about it, then filled back up.

    You really don't have much of a clue about military justice. Have you ever heard of an Article 15? Thats what people get for failing to obey a LAWFUL order or regulation, you don't get a court martial for only that, it is usually tacked on with a more significant crime (i.e. Sexual Assault, murder, etc.) Most people in the military that violate the UCMJ either receive a chapter and discharge, or an article 15, rarely do they go to court martial.
     
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    #25
    That was 1953, and the worst move we've done. How many democracies have we overthrown since then?
     
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    Lexiseek Banned

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    #26
    He's very fixated on that event. I get the feeling his family must have been affected directly because he mentions that same thing in many of his posts.

    It looks like we made a bad mistake 55 years ago. Doesn't mean we should abandon all attempts at foreign policy.

    No country has been perfect in their dealings with other nations.
     
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