Auto Industry

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by benchrest, Dec 12, 2008.

  1. wisdomtool

    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #21
    If it shows promise, private equity will sure to be interested in buying that division from GM. The fact that none came forward means that it is still not economically attractive.

     
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  3. Sensei.Design

    Sensei.Design Prominent Member

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    #23
    @hey look like crap :D

    best cars a build by audi and porsche

    here in germany (the country with the best and most automitive companies) they decided on shortlabour. but they are doing pretty good compared to the american ones :D
     
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  4. wisdomtool

    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #24
    Mercedes Benz isn't really doing pretty good. Even the leader of the pack Toyota isn't doing well.

     
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  5. Sensei.Design

    Sensei.Design Prominent Member

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    #25
    I know about that but I live in the north of germany I most of the time you hear about vw / audi and porsche because vw is producing here.....
     
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  6. mike323

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    #26
    how can you care about looks when oil is destroying the world? :confused:
     
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    Sensei.Design Prominent Member

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    #27
    who said that oil is destroying the world it's not the oil buddy. it's said co2 is the bad guy but it's not really prooved and well nature doesn't care at all nature will survive only the humans will die (so no big deal lol)

    and there are cars that look god and are ecofriendly thats the main point of this post. I agree with you if you say you can improove technoligie yes you can but you don't need to change the design to do it.

    and most of the card build in europe are pretty ecofriendly so shut down all the gm/ ford and crysler factories to save the planet.

    I bet you will tell me that this is not a good idea right? but why they are destroying the world, so why do you care about some people getting unemployed if it serves a greater thing?
     
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  8. mike323

    mike323 Well-Known Member

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    no i agree gm, ford and Chrysler have wasted the world's time and should be expected to either build ecofriendly cars or be shut down by government force.

    but you're not helping the alternative vehicle movement by picking on the looks of the only viable air car out there right now...you can't just say: "I don't like how the air car looks so why don't they just scrap it!" that's a spoiled and childish attitude. do you know how much work and research and money went into getting the air car to the point where it is now? that's someone's dreams you're being flippant about...do you think they just roll out air cars every day across the world? try responding to the rarity and usefulness of the technology behind something rather than just how the superficial surface details strike you...

    "oh, of course, sir...you don't like how the air car looks? well, we'll just scrap it rigt away, sir! no worry!"

    get real. :rolleyes:

    p.s. as you can see, i wasn't the defender of american business as you presume all americans are...you shouldn't judge a book by its cover....nor a car!
     
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  9. Lord_Nikon

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    #29
    Why? We are in a free market system. Forcing them to build anything goes agenst what the US was founded on.
    Anyway my big problem with GM is that it has a 30% market share and still bleading money.


    BTW: I like driving my gas burning, no catalitic converter having, clutch killing rally car. It makes me smile. EcoCars for the most part dosn't
     
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  10. Sensei.Design

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    #30
    ok so we agree in one point :D

    but if they put that much time in the cars why didn't they think about the outward appearence? nobody will buy it if it looks as ugly as sin
     
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    #31
    I find the cars kinda cute and friendly looking. Frankly I would prefer one of those than a Ferrari.


     
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  12. mike323

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    #32
    Yea, and GM's performance despite their market share should give you a big clue as to the legitimacy of the "Oh, so holy" free market system. What a line you've been sold.

    Number one: The last 8 years should have shown you that the free market, where corporate bozos can just do anything they want just to make a profit, while the planet and the people of the world WAIT for technological solutions has been thoroughly discredited. You can't sit there cashing in on selling inefficient and expensive SUV's while a serious survival issue goes ignored. Those days are over. Same goes for expensive houses and their huge carbon footprints.

    Number two: If you think the issue is about how you feel driving a car as opposed to how are we going to solve some serious and pressing problems involving the environment, the world economy, material and basic survival inequality and energy consumption, you are seriously deluded. You see that's why you don't get it. You're all wrapped up in the "ego" and "image" thing that the car companies and their brainwashing advertisements and commercials have sold to you. That's what's wrong with this country (the USA) and the corporations; the corporations will sell anything, even a lie or Grand Illusion, to make a profit and Americans will buy anything just to look as good or better than the other guy and impress their friends. You've obviously swallowed the "American Dream" sales pitch and are just a corporate zombie now spouting what you've been fed. Nothing is "good enough" if it doesn't "beat" the next guy or impress our friends.

    It's a very shallow, superficial, ego driven and just plain stupid attitude. An attitude that is slowing progress and technological innovation at the peril of the planet, our economy and people. It has to stop.
     
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    #33
    first, i don't care how a car that could conceivably run on air looks! it runs on air, for God's sake! Anyone who cares how it would look needs to see my above post...and have their head examined! I'm serious! You do! Something is not quite right with you. In all honesty and not to insult you but it's a little spoiled to think that way. Think about it: Engineers struggle to get an air car to just work and when they have just a basic prototype, someone comes in and says: "Yea, but what about looks?". That's very insensitive to the engineers and their situation and displays a great misunderstanding of science.

    second, the engineers, when building a car that runs on air, don't have time or energy or money to dabble in superficialities such as "looks". they first need to concentrate on getting the air car to WORK at optimal performance. if they can't get it to do what a car should do, there's no point in dressing it up because it isn't going anywhere.

    beyond that, i think it is a nice looking vehicle despite their limited resources.
     
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    #34
    No it shows that GM has some clowns at the helm and can keep up with the wants of the people. They were turning a huge profit just a few years ago with the SUVs, until the gas prices jumped.
    That is the point of a free market system, to make a profit.
    If there was a huge demand for green cars, then GM,Ford and the rest would make them.
    Yes you can. And untill there is a huge need to change, things wont.
    Besides, now that the gas prices are so cheep again, I see tons more SUVs on the road again.
     
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    #35
    totaly agree with your agumentation lord nikon ;)

    @ mike just an idea that came to my mind. Why don't you especially the americans improove the way of producing in companys? here in europe there are high standartds and you may have heard about the emission trading which is a pretty good idea:D There is no need to start with green Cars if there are lot's of easier ways to reach the same, like shutting down old facotries and build new ones instead that can produce more ecofriendly ;) I know it's not jsut america but nations like china or indea are trying to reach what they think is good about the use and they don't give a f*** about polution or whatever because most americans don't.

    The next step that has to be made (all over the world) is to shut down the old unefficient factorys and build newer ones. Which will prevent an economic crisis by the way.

    and just a feact i read about recently cows are producing more co2 then all cars of the planet, is this a reason for us to stop eating beef?
     
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    @ Sensei,

    we can't redesign cows.

    @ Nikon,

    have it your way. but i won't be buying into anything you or the american car companies are selling.

    i'll be buying one of these:

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    #37
    and that is the beauty of a free market system, you can buy what you want and I can buy what I want.
     
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    #38
    the american auto industry is screwed. and they can only blame themselves. they refused to keep up with the upgrades in technology as foreign cars have, and will continue to lose more and more to them. Its a shame that the us economy and the workers have to pay for the bad buisness practices of the ceo's tho.
     
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