The day Israel used a boy aged 13 as a Human Shield

Frankly this has nothing to do with a response to me in any, way shape or form. I doubt the USA is the most hated nation on earth because of a comment I made on DP.

In reality, you're a warmonger, and now you have war. Good for you. Tonight you should celebrate and drink a toast to the glorious future of Palestine.

You and Imad both love the idea of hearing news of the war from the safety of your homes far from the Gaza strip. Otherwise you would talk about peace once in awhile.

 

every occupied nation have the right to resist occupation, and hold arms against it, the warmonger is the one who supported others to occupy, and continue supporting them to keep what they stole.

Warmongers are those who been calling for war to stop in 2006 and from behind sending huge amount of advanced weapons to one side, do you know them?

Warmongers are those supported the war in Iraq which was based on lies.


We will never forget, what US did to its people to start wars, and we do not expect US to be nice with others, or care about others, for wars, they will do anything.

 

Frankyl, read sometimes what your own posts: "This forum is a microcosm of the whole Palestinian/Israeli conflict.". If we take this as a fact we can also say that this forum is also microcosm of the whole world conflicts and the likes of you and the way you behive is the reason why you are most hated nation on planet earth. Of course, as always, you use double standars when comes to that, right?

As I said there's nothing to celebrate about war but I DO support war. As I can see you have hard time to understand things I will repeat it once (and if it is necesary I will repeat it couple more times): without war and fighting my nation would lost freedom. We fought for it and we won and now we are free. If you can't get freedom without war then I am all for war. 60 years of war to get freedom? Doesn't matter as long as they will get it.

Again, if you know anything about recent history of my own coutry you would know how retarded your words sounds. Sure, they should trow flowers on people who occupies their land.
I wonder what would happen if we throwed flowers on our enemies instead of fighting bloody war against them... What do you think? They would let us live in freedom?

Isn't it funny that someone like this seek dude that coming from a nation that fought 10s of wars around the world, to "liberate" others, sending their best kids to die for someones "freedom" now doesn't undestand support for a nation that wants to fight for their own freedom?
I wonder what have seek dude ws posted about US invasion of Iraq...

 

Since I'm from the US I can't support peace? I'm not the GOVERNMENT of the US, I'm just a citizen. You really are all over the point with your arguments.

You said that the US was the most hated nation on "planned earth (LOL)" because of the comments I made on DP. I'm not George Bush, so you don't get to call me a war monger.

You and Imad are war-mongers. You have your war, now enjoy it.

 

I guess you did not get the point, but again, nothing strange here, there are many from the US who know nothing about something, and their pride prevent them from opening their mind and learn what they failed to learn before, and then act as they knew it all, I think too this is one of the reasons that makes US one of the most hated nation on planet, in addition to US partnership with the terrorist state of Israel, that drove US to totally unneeded wars.

I do not know what is your definition for warmongers, it is like changing from post to post, depending on the situation, for me its one, and I gave you few examples on how war-mongers work, if you kept confusing them with posters on DP, or with people who are fighting for their freedom, then that's your problem, but do not accuse people for war-mongering just because you are an ignorant person, the war has been on since long, since before you start to know there is a war, and for so many years Palestinians were the ones who have to die mostly,

if they can hold arms and defend themselves, then that's great, cos nobody helped them before, and nobody will help them after, they will have to fight, and that was not their choice, they have to defend themselves,

if you are honest and want to promote peace you should demand that the occupation end, because without this, there won't be peace, unless if you meant peace for the Zionists terrorists only, the same peace Hitler wanted after he invaded Europe, the same Peace Bush wanted after he invaded Iraq, the same Peace Stalin wanted after invading Eastern Europe, the same peace Saddam wanted after invading Kuwait, the same peace you want now.

 

Uh, again I say, I'm posting at DP as a private citizen of the U.S. I'm not a member of the Bush Administration.

I'm very open-minded, and I'm also quite educated on the Palestinian/Israeli conflict. I just don't agree with your viewpoint, at all.

I disagree with your entire "stolen land" rationale. Most of the people who live in Gaza never owned land in Israel and this is an indisputable fact.

You are a terrorist supporter. Nothing more and nothing less. You support terrorism and are a classic war-monger. You say that Hamas and Hezbollah have a right to use violence in order to attempt the liberation of the "occupied territories." I say Israel and Palenstine should negotiate a peaceful settlement. All violence must end between both sides while they attempt to negotiate.

 

it does not seem for me that you have knowledge about the conflict, if so you would know that only 7% of the Palestinian lands were owned by Jews in 1948, and most of these Jews were considered Palestinians then, before of course the Zionists terrorists group steal the land,

of those there are so many who live in refugee camps in Gaza as the result of the biggest fraud in history that brought Zionists to Palestine to steal it and later raise the slogan "land without people for a people without a land" if you still believe that slogan is correct then I see you know nothing, because the refugee camps in Gaza, and many other places are there because the historical people of the land been forced to leave their property, and many of those who refused been killed.

so how can it be Israeli lands?

you are a terrorist supporter, I say occupation must end, you say resistance must end, who gave you the right to take the right that international laws gave to them in fighting occupation and fighting for their freedom? Settlements building did not stop even when there were negotiations going on, so what exactly the point in negotiating if it was only about stopping armed resistance and nothing about ending the occupation and daily aggressions by the illegal state of Israel?

 

How can it be the land of people who weren't alive?

 

do you mean Palestinians did not exist?

 

First off, are we speaking about the land that was stolen in 1948 or in 1967?

Because if we're referring to the land from 1948, 95% of the people who were actually alive there and own land are dead. Even if Israel were to say, okay you can have "your land" back, they would be giving it to people who didn't lose any land. Plus they would have to remove current residents who paid for the land, essentially "stealing" it all over again.

The argument is no different than expecting the United States to hand California back to the Mexicans or the rest of the land to the native Americans. It's not how things work.

When have people anywhere in the world ever got their land bank? You keep accusing me of ignorance, but I'm starting to have a strong suspicion you're failing your home work assignment on this subject.

At this point I'm totally confused by your position, so maybe you should lay it out for me instead of attempting to make sly digs at me.

What, exactly do you want from Israel? Do you want Israel to disband and leave the middle east or not? Please, be specific. What do you want for Jerusalem, Gaza, and the West Bank?

I'm completely open-minded.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3243114.stm

What's Good For the Geese is Good for the Gander

 

They used the court system and not terrorism to get their land back. You couldn't have illustrated my point any clearer. So have the Palestinians sue to get their land back. Sounds better than launching missiles and blowing up school buses.

 

1948 people, of some many still live in refugee camps in Gaza, West bank, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, and others, have the right to live on their own historical home land, if the Zionists stole it, it does not become legal after 60 years, they either have to give it back to its owners, and if they are not alive then to their kids or grand kids, those should have the right to decide to get back to their property or accept a compensation and stay where they are, that's up to them .

what do I want does not matter, what do the Palestinian want is what matters, and they expressed it many times in many occasions, from stopping the building of illegal settlements to implement UN resolutions that Israel never implemented, they are more than 60 resolution and Israel thinks its above them.

 

fine, then lets use UN and international law, there are more than 60 resolutions israel failed to implement

 

As imad explained, as long as this conflict continues, they have no access to the court system which leaves the armed struggle as the only solution. Do you think the Jews could get back their land if Germany and the court was still under the control of Nazi regime?

 

Its amazing that when freedom fighters were bombing their oppressors and occupiers throughout past centuries, they were called liberators and freedom fighters. When Palestinians are fighting their occupiers and true terrorists, THEY are being called terrorists. BTW, if anyone knows history - the state of Israel was built on terrorism, massacres, occupation, destruction and relocation of civilians, aka Genocide. No one can deny it. Only blind supporters and Israelis will scream and yell that it wasn't so.

Living in the USA, I'm ashamed that my tax dollars are used to support Israel.

In any case good discussion. Oh another thing. Did the guy who started this thread got banned because he spoke the Truth or was it something else?

 

not sure you can ask wisdomtool, but I think it was because s/he pointed a lie and described it as the lie it was.

 

Yes. Unfortunately, here is the Land of the "Free" we have to live with those lies on daily basis. They tell us who the enemy and the friends are according to the traitors in the U.S. Congress.

 

As always you use double standars and that's why your nation is most hated one on planet earth. Even now you won't drop that double standars and because of them your nation stands where it's stand in the world.
You take right to judge one conflict that last for last 60+ years based on comments we made here on DP yet you don't allow me to judge why is your nation most hated one based on comment you are making here on DP!
There's no diference betwen you and what your goverment doing around the world since WWII. Double stndards all the time, what we can do noone else is allowed to do.

Again, according to you your posts doesn't affect real life and what happening in out side world yet again you claiming that my and Iamds post are war mongering LMAO.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/warmonger
"one who urges or attempts to stir up war"
Sure, your posts doesn't mean a shit but somehow ours urges war! Seriously, are you serious?
Again, I do support war and I always will when ever there's no other way to get freedom. And again, you should learn some recent history of my country before posting such nonsense.

Brilliant post! Amazing! You're undiscovered genius! LMAO!
It's incredible than there's people that can believe in something like that.

 

It is good that American people are waking up to the fact that what is good for Israel, is not necessary good for USA. It is a shame that so many of American politicians are on Israel payroll and instead of representing the interests of Americans, they only represent their masters in Tel Aviv.