And yet I heard that Palestinians will never get their own land back all the time right here on DP. Anyway, is that mean that you will expel all Israeli Arabs and Palestinians from Israel when they get their state?
So I guess you never read my posts... Palestinians (non-israeli arabs) would live in palestine while Israeli arabs will have to choose - continue living in Israel as a minority group or move to palestine (the future state).
You are missing the point...The Palestinians do not want their own land - they want Israel. And I can understand that (Although I do not think they are entitled to it). If the Palestinians were to take another plot of land, besides Israel, as their own would, it would be a loss. We could give them America and I think it would still be a loss. They have not been fighting for their own land, they have been fighting for Israel... and winning anything less will not suit them. Also - in response to the comments that Israel, as a Jewish state, will cease to exist one day (along with the entire Western World)... Honestly, I can see the logic behind that statement. The population rate of "Easterners" and "Middle Easterners" versus Westerns makes it seem as if the west will easily be over taken in the future. However, unlike in the past, something exists that could prevent the masses from ruling - weapons of mass destruction. Infact, I am positive that WOMD have kept Israel going until now. They would have been bombarded by all the middle eastern countries if the threat of being blown off the map by Israel did not exist. -pk
Whatever they want - they would either get some land or nothing. Yeah, there will be no second holocaust or the whole world goes kaput.
No, you are the one that missed the point: they are minority now but in the future they will become majority. Just check birth rate. Sorry but what birth rate have to do with WOMD?!? Are you saying that if Israeli Arabs become majority in Israel Jews would rather destroy Israel with nukes than let Arabs take over goverment by democratic elections? Your answer to democratic process is WOMD? I don't see any logic in that. You also missed the point but what you are saying is like: if we go whole world goes...
You are not thinking... Man power is what used to win wars... now a different sort of power controls the world, explosive power - and at the base of that is technology. There are 14 million Jews in the entire world and 1.61 billion Muslims! I think it is safe to say that there are more Muslims versus Israel than Jews defending it... So what keeps Israel in the hands of the Jews? The answer is superior technology. The entire middle east (except Israel of course) would have joined forces to conquer Israel if the potential threat of having their entire populations destroyed by the press of a button did not exist! Why do you think the USA is adamantly against Iran and Iraq having WOMD? Because WOMD balances the power - the east has man power and the west maintains explosive power... I do not know how you can argue this point. -pk
Actually you are the one than not thinking... When Israeli Arabs becomes majority in Israel they will take over the place simply by voting their politicians into Knesset. And you want to tells us that Israeli WOMD will prevent that? How? By commiting mass suicide or what? If Israel stay democracy they will sooner or later stop existing as Jewish state. I don't know what WOMD have anything to do with birth rate or Israeli Arabs who are ISRAELI CITIZENS with full rights including right to vote and elect government.
It will not fix "the problem" at all. There would and there is still enough Israeli Arabs in state of Israel to become majority in future. Two states solution doesn't "remove" them from Israel.
What are you saying? Are you suggesting that no matter what Israel does that Arabs are fighting a demographic war and seek to take over Israel that way? Would you feel it appropriate for Muslims to take over America with demographics and then make it an Islamic state?
[ The Jews have a small piece of land compared to the muslims. In any case why do Muslims claim the historic homeland of the Jews as their land. The Palestinians already have a state in East Palestine. The West Bank should be rejoined to Jordan and a democratic government should replace the monarchy.
I am only stating facts and that's all. You should try it one day instead of repeating same old zionist propaganda day after day after day. It has nothing to do with any kind of war. It's simple matter of birth rate. "Western" nations will simply disapear in future if they don't change their birth rate. It's estetimated that my nation will be smaller for like 25% by year 2050. We "fighting" demographic war against ourselfs. It's all about democracy isn't it? Or do you suggest that after they become majority in some of the "western" countries democracy should be suspended? I have small piece of land compared to someone else. Is that mean that I can steal land? Because it's their historic land too. Jews conquered that land and later on Muslims conquered it so what's the diference? It doesn't work that way no matter how many times you will repeat zionist propaganda. Jordan is not Palestine, Jordanians are not Palestinians. Period. There's no a single suggestion during 60 years of conflict similar to yours so I don't know why do you keep repeating that. I would suggest to you that you stay away from zionist sites and check some history facts just for a change.
Abbas is demanding that all Jews get out of Hebron. "Hebron is ours, and they have to leave if they want peace," Abbas said. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081225/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians In 1929 the Jews where massacred in Hebron. The survivors were forced to flee Hebron, and their property was seized by Arab residents and occupied until after the Six Day War of 1967,
Ok, soometimes I don't get it why do you post totally unrelated facts?!? What that have to do with birth rate of Israeli Arabs. Can you please explain?
I would like to thank you for showing this example on how Zionists twist facts, and truth, and try to make use of incidents to try to gain sympathy unjustly, and also to try to justify their criminal acts against the Palestinians in occupied Palestine,, what you mentioned as 1929 Hebron massacre is called 1929 revolt, according tot he Jewish virtual library website, it says: now this website, only shows half the truth to serve the above reasons I mentioned, as a propaganda site of course, they have no mention to the investigation that been did at that time to see what caused this incident to happen, I m sure they know there was an investigation which came with results, but not mentioning it, shows their real intention in faking the truth to serve their evil goals in stealing the land and justify their crimes against the Palestinian people, the investigation, which UN site still host its documents says: did you notice where it says "The clashes between Palestinians and Jews left 220 dead and 520 injured on both sides" now according to the Jewish library website, 67 Jews were dead, with simple math, 220-67 = 153 dead Palestinians. so, who been really massacred there? Jews or Palestinians? and why the Jewish library cry over 67 victims of their actions, and have no mention of the 153 Palestinians they killed? Yet the Zionists try to use the unfortunate incidents which they provoked, to cover their crimes and gain sympathy, in a try to find a justify for their continuous crimes since they came with their project in stealing Palestine in what can be considered the biggest fraud in history. notice also where it says what means Palestinians and Jews lived in peace till the Zionists came
The Hebron Massacre refers to the mass murder of sixty-seven Jews on 23 and 24 August 1929 in Hebron, then part of the British Mandate of Palestine, by Arabs incited to violence by false rumors that Jews were massacring Arabs[1] in Jerusalem and seizing control of Muslim holy places. This massacre, together with that of Safed, sent shock waves through Jewish communities in Palestine and across the world. The survivors were forced to flee Hebron, and their property was seized by Arab residents and occupied until after the Six Day War of 1967.[2][3] It also led to the re-organization and development of the Jewish paramilitary organization, the Haganah, which later became the nucleus of the Israel Defense Forces. Hebron, located 30km south of Jerusalem, is the second holiest site and one of Four Holy Cities in Judaism, and is revered by Muslims as well. It is the location of the Cave of Machpelah, holding the Tomb of the Patriarchs where tradition records that Abraham was buried, and where David was anointed King of Israel and reigned there until his capture of Jerusalem. Its Jewish Sephardic community had lived there continuously for over 800 years under various imperial powers, and the Ashkenazi community had roots there that went back at least a century.[4] In Hebron in the early 20s, periods of Arab harassment, involving cursing on the street, occasional beatings, rocks through windows, and disturbances at the Cave of the Patriarchs, would occasionally disturb what was, in many accounts, an otherwise amicable relationship between the Hebron Jewish and Arab communities[5], notwithstanding a strong tradition of hostility to Jews[6]. In one such period the Jewish community registered several complaints with the British police, saying that not enough was being done to protect them. The Jews attributed some of the trouble to the Arab nationalist Muslim-Christian Association's activities, which included the spread of anti-Jewish songs and other incitement.[4] On August 20, 1929, after Arab attacks in Jerusalem, Haganah leaders proposed to provide defense for the 750 Jews of the Yishuv in Hebron, or to help them evacuate. However, the leaders of the Hebron community declined these offers, insisting that they trusted the A'yan (Arab notables) to protect them. The following Friday, 23 August, inflamed by rumors that Jews were about to attack al-Aqsa Mosque, Arabs started to attack Jews in the Old City of Jerusalem. The rumours and subsequent violence quickly spread to other parts of Palestine Mandate, with the worst killings occurring in Hebron and Safed. Other murderous assaults took place in Motza, Kfar Uriyah, and Tel Aviv. All officials in the Hebron civil administration were Arabs. Of its 40 policemen, only one was a Jew. Raymond Cafferata, the Assistant District Superintendent of the Palestine Police Force, had at his command 18 mounted policemen and 15 on foot, of whom 11 were elderly men in poor physical condition. On the early afternoon of Friday, August 23, upon hearing from car-drivers of fighting in Jerusalem, Cafferata deployed special pickets to report any unusual movement from the city and issued a request to headquarters for reinforcements. Intending to travel to Jerusalem, a crowd of 700 gathered at the city's central bus station, and one man gave a speech. Cafferata addressed the crowd, trying to calm them by denying anything happened in Jerusalem. He then took eight mounted officers to patrol the Jewish homes, where he encountered the city's Rabbi, Yaakov Yosef Slonim Dwek. The Rabbi pleaded with him for protection, while he came under a hail of stones from an Arab crowd. Cafferata told him and other Jews he came across to return to stay in their homes. After the Rabbi had obliged, Cafferata tried to disperse the crowd using clubs.[4] At 4:00 pm, an Arab crowd began gathering outside the Hebron Yeshiva and throwing stones through the windows. Only two people were inside, a student and the sexton. Upon being hit, the student tried to leave, only to find himself facing the Arab crowd, who grabbed him and stabbed him to death; the sexton survived by hiding in a well. Some hours later a group of mukhtars came to Cafferata. Cafferata attempted to get the mukhtars to assume responsibility for law and order, and asked for reinforcements. Some hours later a group of regional mukhtars came to Cafferata, and they relayed that the Mufti had told them to take action or be fined due to the 'Jewish slaughter of Arabs' in Jerusalem. Raymond Cafferata promised that all was well and bid them return to their villages and stay there. He slept in his office that night.[4] Early the following Saturday morning, a crowd armed with staves and axes appeared in the streets and killed two Jewish boys, one stoned to death and the other stabbed. Cafferata shot two of the mob and emptied his revolver into the crowd, but his saddle slipped and he fell to the ground, whereupon the crowd began attacking every Jewish house. Cafferata instructed his men to fetch rifles and to open fire, which they did, dispersing a portion of the crowd, but some of the remaining rioters, shouting "on to the Ghetto", managed to break through the pickets. Cafferata continued shooting, hitting many of the rioters, but his efforts were in vain; repeated calls for reinforcements from Jerusalem, Jaffa and Gaza did not produce help in time. Both Jewish and Arab businesses in the Bazaar were looted.[7] A consignment of police was sent from Jerusalem but was delayed by other violence on the way to Hebron and arrived hours too late. This later became the source of considerable acrimony.[4] Cafferata testified to the Commission of Enquiry in Jerusalem on 7 November that he had seen an Arab cutting a child's head with an axe. Behind him was an ex-police-constable standing over a woman with a dagger in his hand. Cafferata shot the assailant, who shouted "Your Honor, I am a policeman". The Times reported Cafferata's evidence to the Commission that "until the arrival of British police it was impossible to do more than keep the living Jews in the hospital safe and the streets clear [because he] was the only British officer or man in Hebron, a town of 20,000".[8] Many Jews survived by hiding in their Arab neighbors' houses, while others survived by taking refuge in the British police station at Beit Romano on the outskirts of the city. The surviving Jews were later evacuated to Jerusalem. One third of the killed were students of the Hebron yeshiva. After the massacre, the remainder of the yeshiva was also moved to Jerusalem.[4] On September 1, Sir John Chancellor condemned:- 'the atrocious acts committed by bodies of ruthless and bloodthirsty evildoers... murders perpetrated upon defenceless members of the Jewish population... accompanied by acts of unspeakable savagery.' source
The Hebron Massacre refers to the mass murder of sixty-seven Jews on 23 and 24 August 1929 in Hebron by Arabs incited to violence by false rumors that Jews were massacring Arabs in Jerusalem and seizing control of Muslim holy places.
Talking about territorial disputes .......... Who owns the moon that appears over Israel and Palestine every night? Israel or Palestine?
despite its wikipedia, but I have much time to waste today, so I visited that link that you described it as "source" and here is what I got: first their known disclaimer that says "WIKIPEDIA MAKES NO GUARANTEE OF VALIDITY" what does that mean? read the disclaimer: that means its very possible that the info there since its posted by users and groups, might be invalid, or inaccurate, so you using unreliable source for info, shows how weak your cause is, while my source was UN, so who has more creditability? UN or wikipedia? and UN was not actually a source rather than a place where the investigation document was hosted, the investigation that was done by neutral party neither by Jews nor by Palestinians. but, lets see where did Wikipedia got their info for that specific article: Zionism-Israel website - (note: lmao, sorry could not hold myself when i saw it) Jewish Virtual Library website - (note: which I already mentioned in my post above and wondered why they have no mention for the official investigation that been done at that time, and which says that this incident was a massacre for Palestinians actually not Jews) http://www. professors. org.il/docs/eye.htm - you know what does the il in a URL mean? http://www. hebron .org.il/hebrew/gallery.php?id=189 so whom is more reliable? the official investigation that been done by neutral party at that time? or your article on wikipedia that has mostly zionists resource which none of them refer to the actual investigation? do you know why they said nothing about the 153 Palestinians victims in these incidents?
its not BS made in Jordan, I know you expected a BS made in Jordan as a reply for the BS made in Zionia that you and browtwn posted, but sorry to disappoint you, its an official investigation done by neutral third party, did you read it?