Russia provides 10 MiG fighter jets to Lebanon for free

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  1. Lexiseek

    Lexiseek Banned

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    #41
    Yes. Which means advocating violence is a losing proposition. Peaceful opposition to occupation has proven successful. Why isn't this an option for Palestinians?
     
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  2. wisdomtool

    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #42
    What I am thinking of is does the average Palestinian has an option for peace with foreign militants swamping the land in search of revenge?

     
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  3. imad

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    #43
    I m glad that you believe bombing civilians from sky is a coward act, I must say I m even surprised, so you are saying that Israel follow coward acts in wars? is that what you say? you seem shy.

    and I hope you know they fire these bombs not to tickle civilians but to kill indiscriminately? and for sure when they practice such coward tactics, they should expect the others to reply, its unfortunate that civilians will fall from both sides, but the most blame is put on those who follow terrorists tactics using modern weapons, they been told that if they stopped targeting civilians rockets will stop.

    and they been warned in advance:

     
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  4. imad

    imad Peon

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    #44
    proven successful where exactly? in India? the time and conditions and the type of the enemy were different,

    when you deal with an enemy who's most interest is to ethnic cleanse, and commit massacres to try to force the historical people to leave their own home land, then I m sure roses won't do well, if you know about Dier Yassin village, you know the people were peaceful and they assured them that they won't participate in any fight, this assurance was the reason why the people of this village been slaughtered.

    if you deal with an enemy that does not understand except the language of force, then this will be language that will be used to speak with that enemy.
     
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  5. wisdomtool

    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #45
    I am afraid so, I am normally shy to point out the blatant mistakes in a post, hoping that these will be noticed by the OP themselves instead of embarrassing them in public. Bombing civilians from the sky with missiles on purpose is extremely cowardly which I presumed the brave Hezbollah will never do. I guess they were firing the missiles into the desert and it happened to land on Israel residential areas because of their inaccuracies?

    The brave Hezbollah will never take upon small platoons or units of soldiers but will go after some more deserving targets such as 36th Division of the Northern Command who were fighting in Lebanon all along? How about a spectacular war which the Hezbollah can defend their positions and fought as well as overwhelm the Northern Command and anniliate their enemies for once?

    Not sure about the tickling part, are you saying that the Hezbollah missiles contain itchy powder rather than gun powder? That's news to me.

    I am sure if Hezbollah stop their violent ways the world will accept with open arms......if they continue firing missiles with itchy power I am sure they stand a chance.

     
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  6. imad

    imad Peon

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    #46
    did you start to run out of logic? even before you explain why 1200 Lebanese died who were mostly civilians, and 160 Israeli died who are mostly soldiers?

    and before stating who started to target civilians.

    you see one side in this, Hezballah firing rockets on civilians, you do not see the millions of cluster bombs fired on Lebanese civilians, and when you are asked a serious question, you answer with sarcasm, the question is still valid, do you see in Israel acts a coward tactic when they started bombing civilians?

    try to be brave and answer like a man ;)
     
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  7. wisdomtool

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    #47
    :pI am quite logical, my apologies, you will get a better explanation from Hezbollah, from your posts, no logical explanation will persuade you otherwise. Your mind is full of hatred as shown in your posts which is a great pity.

    If millions of cluster bombs were fired on Lebanese civilians, there won't be a Lebanon left. That is logical thinking my friend. It will not be 1200 Lebanese dead but 1 200 000 Lebanese dead. BTW why millions of cluster bombs when a nuclear bomb will do the trick if Israel really wants them dead.


    Israel bombing civilians? With their superior air force which is even a match for USA, if they are truly into attacking civilians, do I see a 1200 or a 1 200 000?


    If they are bombing civilians yes definitely, but I saw more of Hezbollah trying their best to bomb civilians and Israeli Air Force trying their best to avoid civilian casualties. BTW this is a good quote which you need to bring to the Hezbollah, maybe translate it to Arabic "Try to be Brave and Fight Like a Man"
     
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  8. imad

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    #48
    Your failure to answer a direct question, does not mean I m full of hate, it either means you can't answer or do not want to answer,

    as its obvious from your post you do not know what are cluster bombs, let me give you some more knowledge which you failed to acquire before you come to comment, noting that it would be of much logic to have some knowledge about the topic you are talking about, before you start talking about:

    using your logic
    I do not know how to read this, stupidity? ignorance? or a sick wish that more Lebanese civilians have been killed? I an not sure, you know better, what I know, and what you do not know is,

    IDF commander: We fired more than a million cluster bombs in Lebanon

    need another source? here:

    IDF Commander: We Fired More Than a Million Cluster Bombs in Lebanon

    more...?

    [​IMG]

    the above is a cluster bomb NOT this:

    [​IMG]

    so try please to remove the last image from your mind and learn more about cluster bombs and what they can do, or read what HRW say about it:

    Israel so much wish to kill as many Lebanese civilians as they can ( maybe this is your wish too ) but you can imagine what reaction this would create, they are coward enough to kill civilians on purpose, and they are coward enough to fear the reaction if they killed what they really wish, and of course too much afraid on their fake image that they try to sell to people like you, that they do not target civilians, but luckily there are independent organizations who watch their acts, and refute their propaganda, and no, these are not Hezballah/Hamas.

    so now, are you saying Israel did not target civilians? another question which I hope you can be brave enough to answer it with yes or no, or I do not know.
     
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  9. Lexiseek

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    #49
    So now you've proven that Hezbollah and the IDF are equally cowardly. Hooray.
     
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    #50
    Hezbollah started the conflict. Put the blame on them.

    Hezbollah started the conflcit in July of 2006, with an unprovoked Katyusha rocket attack on northern Israel and with an attack on Israelo soilders kidnapping 2 soldiers, killing 3.

    Hezbollah fired 3,970 rockets into northern Israeli cities and 2,015 civilians Israelis were injured and 43 killed.
     
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  11. pingpong123

    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    #51
    Most of the lebanese dont want a war with isreal. It is the proxy army of lebanon that started this war and the war was started for political reasons. Its convenient how hezbolla started this war when the investigations into Harriris death were starting to heat up and the pressure on irans nuclear program were also heating up. We will just ignore hezbolla bugging the airport and warning the lebanese government not to touch their illegal surveilance systems. They practically knew when every parliament member was leaving the airport and which vehicle they were in. This is a resistance movement???????????, the lebanese population have to watch every word they say knowing they are being watched by the proxy militia everytime they leave and come into the airport? Is this a joke or something?

    Lets not even talk about when they turned their weapons against their fellow lebanese right before the lebanese government had to capitulate and give them veto power over any move the government makes. loooooooooool
     
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  12. Lexiseek

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    #52
    It's starting to seem the Hezbollah/Israel conflict and the "Occupied Territories" arguments are getting a bit mixed up here.

    As far as imad is concerned, Hezbollah is acting in self-defense even when they fire first.
     
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    #53
    I have seen in military school how arabs were training and the results.
    Lebanon may get top of the line aircraft, but without highly trained pilots the planes will be just targets.
    It takes at least 5 years to become a good pilot, plus you have to have talent to become an Ace.
    The Lebanese better hire Russian pilots if they want to make good use of them in bad times ..... it will be much cheaper for them to hire Russian pilots than to try to train to an Ace level their own pilots....
     
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    #54
    Russia have every right to arm whichever country she wants to arm.We're supporting these countries because of US is trying to install Missie Shield in Poland (Russia was not really active before..).In any case, there is no difference between Lebanon or Israel both are warmongering nations.
    Love Live Russia.......
     
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    #55
    IMHO It is direct as I can, and it seemed that you have problems accepting a direct answer. So I will have to make it as indirect as possible. Hezbollah is an angel organization that is unarmed and waiting for Israel to kill them. Israeli armed forces fired only at civilians and ignore those who are armed. All the sins are done by Israelis, even the Mumbai Massacre was done by a group of Israelis who suntan in Golan Heights to make them look like Pakistanis. BTW Nagasaki and Hiroshima were the works of Israeli supplied nuclear weapons to the USA. I hope my answer satisfy you.

     
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    #56
    US warns Russia against selling missiles to Iran

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081223/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_russia_iran
     
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    #57
    well direct as you can was not direct at all, try to put more effort, I ask about Israel, you reply about Hezballah, here I will try to help you, I said:

    you replied:

    but you was not clear, you avoided to say Israel did coward acts in dropping bombs on civilians, so I asked again, a very direct question:

    I m not sure if you smoked a joint at this point, my question was about Israel, your answer was about Hezballah, it says:

    umm, the question was about Israel, so I asked you again, you replied:

    which can be understood as "no they do not", not sure if you lost the topic, I asked again this time, also about Israel:

    and your reply was again about Hezballah:

    try to quit smoking that joint if you are and concentrate, does Israel target civilians or not? that's what I was trying to know from you.
     
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    #58
    Russia is still dreaming about its glory days as the Soviet Union, it was just only recently that they suddenly had such feelings when the oil prices shot up. I guess now their morale is as depressed as the oil prices. It seemed strange that with such advanced technologies and knowhow, the Russians doesn't seem to be doing anything much except to live on the high oil prices. They could have used the proceeds to develop their economy.

     
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    #59
    Russia has made some advances in wheat production and are now a leading exporter. But mainly they are a oil/gas and metals exporter. There's going to be some tough times in Russia the next couple of years. Also the main buyers of Russian arms like Iran and Venzuela are going to be short of funds as well.
     
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    #60
    Appreciate if you can leave individual attacks alone when concentrating on the thread. I do not smoke and do not do drugs. Hopefully discussions can go on without any personal attacks etc. I am not Rebecca, I do not take personal attacks kindly.


    For Bogart

    Russian is still more of a commodity exporter in this sense and I think the Siberian climate change does help them with the wheat production. They should concentrate more on developing their industries rather than just as a commodity exporter.
     
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