Scammed Domain Names

Discussion in 'Domain Names' started by estator, Dec 21, 2008.

  1. #1
    Hi all,

    I'm sorry if this is not the right place. Feel free to move my thread to where you see fit.

    I was just scammed yesterday by someone who claimed to be David Cramp. His email address and paypal account is . His name.com account is 185594-abc0771

    After I transfered the domains to him, he claimed the payment back with a dispute. Never receive a word from him so far. Now my money is on hold and my domains are gone!

    My purpose at this thread is to list all the domains that I was scammed. If someone approach you to sell these names to you, please aware that you might be the next victim or you will buy scammed names and might got yourself trouble. Instead, tell straight to his face: "Get off! Scammer!" and inform the forums admin to ban the scammer.

    Name.com and paypal are looking into it. To my experience, name.com always stand up for its customers. I hope I can close this thread soon.

    Here is the list of scammed names:

    SlimmestIpod.com
    SlimmestMac.com
    ConductorTrade.com
    ConductorImport.com
    ConductorExport.com
    ConductorSales.com
    WholesaleConductor.com
    RetailConductor.com
    HanoverTourism.com
    HannoverTrip.com
    HanoverTrip.com
    HannoverTourism.com
    24hDate.com
    24hMeet.com
    24hDating.com
    HeadDir.com
    ConductorLink.com
    ConductorMarket.com
    24hOnlineMall.com
    24hBeauty.com
    ItDine.com
    FrDine.com
    BrDine.com
    UkDine.com
    Baydb.com
    Beachdb.com
    Islanddb.com
    SparklingDubai.com
    ConductorSolution.com
    ConductorWorld.com
    SmartConductor.com
    CashInstinct.com
    BankruptRescue.com
    BankruptRelief.com
    GallopSales.com
    GallopIncome.com
    16Diary.com
    Dear16.com
    24HrBeauty.com

    Thank you.
     
    estator, Dec 21, 2008 IP
  2. frih

    frih Banned

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    Don't worry, the issue will take around 60days. paypal check all the details.
     
    frih, Dec 21, 2008 IP
  3. srafayj

    srafayj Member

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    You must have used Escrow !! I'v Been Scammed twice total of $2500 :mad: ..
     
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  4. estator

    estator Peon

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    I can't be not worried. Check these out:

    http://www.acorndomains.co.uk/domai...-possible-pm-then-msngr-then-paypal-scam.html

    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?p=7706648

    http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-auctions/456443-package-of-llll-com-up-sell.html

    I'm not the first one. And all paypal did was surrendering. The most irritating thing is paypal knew it was scam but they still GIVE MONEY BACK TO THE SCAMMER!!! Geez!

    "You must have used Escrow !! I'v Been Scammed twice total of $2500 :mad: .. "
    @srafayj: my deal was 200$. And he said this deal was to build "trust" and promised to buy more premium names after. Still lucky to me it stopped there.
     
    estator, Dec 21, 2008 IP
  5. Dreamerr

    Dreamerr Peon

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    That really sucks, good idea to post the stolen names here in case future buyers do a search on the name.
    Doubt if paypal with help but before giving up talk to name.com!
    They have good customer service and may be able to help.
    There is also a name.com rep on namepros.com but you should contact them directly.
     
    Dreamerr, Dec 21, 2008 IP
  6. fontoo

    fontoo Peon

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    Hi estator!
    Sorry to hear you got scammed. I found a picture of the guy online...it seems he is fond of VW s. Not to much use the picture though - but maybe you can print it out and play some dart...
    Maybe it´s all a mistake...? But sadly it´s probably not.
     
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  7. estator

    estator Peon

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    Hi fontoo,

    Thanks for your information. I traced that one too. I did have a second thought that the email and paypal account was hacked. But it seems that is the guy. You'll see when you read along this post.

    This is my investigation on this guy Dave Cramp.

    1. The scammer joined the domain forums acorndomains.co.uk on Nov 21 2008 under username Get+1. He used email and paypal account under the name David Cramp.
    He approached me on 18 Dec 2008.
    He scammed me on Saturday , 20 Dec 2008.

    2. ntlworld.com is redirected to Virgin Media website, virginmedia.com
    In order to have Virgin Media email account, you have to be a customer in the UK.

    3. Googling the email address, besides all my threads, there is one lead to British VW Clubs, http://www.abvwc.org.uk/NorthClubs.htm

    4. This leads to North East Club, http://www.thenortheastvwclub.co.uk/

    Dave Cramp is the secretary of this club. His information found on this website includes 2 email address: and
    His location is Billingham, Cleveland, an area at North East England.
    His North East Club forums username is Rusty.

    5. Rusty's latest posts on forums was Sunday, Dec 21 2008 4:48 pm
    There was a gap of Rusty's forums activity from Dec 14 to Dec 21.
    I checked all his posts as far back to April 2008, no mention of a stolen email incident.

    Until this point, there is no evidence of stolen account and it seems the guy Dave Cramp I'm chasing is indeed the fraudster.

    To take further step to protect an innocent man who might be hacked, I'm thinking of emailing Virgin Media and VW North East Club to confirm if there is any stolen email account.

    The whois record of my domains is still:

    Katie Kam
    wooster #15 rooster
    WOOSTER
    FL
    42421
    US
    Phone: +1.9133151224
    Email Address:
     
    estator, Dec 22, 2008 IP
  8. estator

    estator Peon

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    Hi guys,

    Follow my previous investigation on Dave Cramp, I now look carefully at activities of the scammer (Get+1 on AcornDomains forums) and Dave Cramp (Rusty on North East VW Club forums).

    Below is the table of activity for each. The blank at each line indicates no activity (gap of activity to do something else)

    Scammer Dave Cramp
    dd-mm-yyyy mmm dd, yyyy
    Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:48 pm
    Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:44 pm
    Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:37 pm
    20-12-2008, 04:49 PM (day of scam)
    18-12-2008, 09:06 PM (day of approach)
    Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:23 pm
    13-12-2008, 04:31 PM
    13-12-2008, 01:46 PM
    09-12-2008, 10:17 PM
    08-12-2008, 03:10 PM
    Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:33 am
    Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:27 am
    Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:58 pm
    Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:38 pm
    Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:32 pm
    01-12-2008, 09:02 PM
    01-12-2008, 08:59 PM
    01-12-2008, 12:06 PM
    28-11-2008, 08:48 AM
    25-11-2008, 08:19 PM
    22-11-2008, 08:40 PM
    22-11-2008, 06:45 AM
    21-11-2008, 09:18 PM
    21-11-2008, 06:26 PM
    21-11-2008, 04:17 PM (day of registration)
    Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:56 pm
    Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:53 pm
    Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:52 pm
    Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:51 pm
    Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:34 pm

    As you can see very clearly. The date Get+1 was active on AcornDomains, Dave is inactive on VW and vice versa.

    What does it mean? I don't have to say. You can draw that yourself.

    I'll take a look at lili john who was the scammer using the same trick back in april, may 2008 to see if there is any link with this Dave folk. Stay tuned.
     
    estator, Dec 22, 2008 IP
  9. rena

    rena Peon

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    Is there any way to catch like this scammers?. it will be big problem in e-buisness and transfer. Why dont report to pay pal immediately with some proof ? they will help or check with the registrar itself to solve the problem
     
    rena, Dec 22, 2008 IP
  10. estator

    estator Peon

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    Hi rena, I already did. No reply yet from paypal for more than two days. Well, I don't expect them to reply actually. But I responsed at the resolution center. About 5 days more paypal will decide whether I can keep the money.
     
    estator, Dec 22, 2008 IP
  11. Dreamerr

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    Have you heard from name.com?
     
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  12. estator

    estator Peon

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    I called them. They can't help cause I transfered the names myself "willingly"! And suggest filing report to UDRP....
    Justice is now in paypal's hand.
     
    estator, Dec 22, 2008 IP
  13. ROOFIS

    ROOFIS Well-Known Member

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    This story sounds familiar! Paypal won't help. They have a sh*ty policy with non tangible items like domain names, scripts, software and the like. I failed for their seller protection because of this. I wrote an email to them 'to get with the times' and stop believing that everything sold through them requires a postal address to qualify for seller protection. I haven't heard from them since and they've left me in the dark. I think that this con artist will get caught and if he/she does then maybe the domains or the money paid for them will be returned to the rightful owner. :)




    ROOFIS
     
    ROOFIS, Dec 23, 2008 IP