India’s Sovereign Rights!

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by msolution, Dec 20, 2008.

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    The recent terror attacks has spun a new chapter in the Indo-Pak Relations, bring them to an all time new low. The Indian response has been one of patience but the people of India are losing Patience. We have been hit time and time again, and we wish this be the last time.

    Pakistan has from time immemorial said that the sovereign soil of Pakistan is / has not been used for terrorism, the so called terrorist belong to Kashmir’s indigenous freedom movement. The stand in itself negates their very stance on Kashmir. Pakistan has occupied parts of Kashmir, known as Pakistan occupied Kashmir (POK), does it not automatically fall in their sovereign territory, and does it not come under the purview of their constitution. And in turn is it not their moral responsibility to maintain law and order there! This only sums up as either Pakistan is lying that her land is not being used by terrorist, or is it implying that POK is not a land governed by Pakistan.

    In 1947 the Pathan tribes attacked Kashmir, at the behest of the Pakistani establishment (*). The Maharaja of Kashmir, Maharaja Hari Singh, sought help from India, and acceded Kashmir to India for want of aid. So “technically” the land of Kashmir, is legally a sovereign part of India, and its miscreants an Indian problem! And since Pakistan has no moral responsibility left over the said land, any action taken by the Indian side would not only be justified, but also necessary.

    And on this any act from Pakistan would/ should be seen as one of action and not reaction. Because technically speaking, India is targeting its own sovereign land and cleaning up its own mess.

    In a normal scenario, such miscreants would be tried by court. But in the circumstances which prevail today, precision air-strikes is the call of the hour. It would do nothing where terror camps are concerned, because they are just a few tents, ropes and people running around like zombies with AK47s, but will send out a strong signal, India does mean business this time. Any act of terrorism on Indian soil will call for direct and swift action in terror infested POK. That in itself is in the best interest of not only India, but China and the world as well.


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    (*) History as it happened in 1947 when India-Pakistan Got Indepenence from British Rule.
    Synopsis from Freedom at Midnight Page 403

     
    msolution, Dec 20, 2008 IP
  2. contentedge

    contentedge Active Member

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    Dude; there is no need to start a thread like this. No Pakistani in this forum, or anywhere in the world for that matter, will accept the facts that there are terrorist training camps in their country and they regularly infiltrate to wreck havoc in India. So, there is no point in arguing with them. Like I've always said, you can't reason with the unreasonable.

    Moreover, like I've always maintained, Indian politicians are the ones to blame for India's failure to curb terrorism. They have shown absolutely no signs of taking strict action thanks to the incredibly dumb vote bank politics that we see in the country today. So, the way I see it, things look bleak for India.
     
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  3. hostlonestar

    hostlonestar Peon

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    Awesome post man, negative rep added.

    Seriously, you made a post about this? Stop with all your hate and make a post free of your hatred.
     
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  4. msolution

    msolution Well-Known Member

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    wheres the Hate??? :confused:

    am totally talking objective! ... Attacking someones "Soveriegn Land" is an act of aggression and a call for WAR

    but if India strikes at its "Legallly" owned land,... should anyone have issues????

    its an honest question?
     
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    hostlonestar Peon

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    Pakistan did not attack India. Militant terrorists attacked India. That is, unless you have some facts showing the Pakistani government was behind it. /thread
     
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  6. msolution

    msolution Well-Known Member

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    1. you are referring to non-state actors,.... according to Ms Rice (Sec of State, US) it doesnt matter if they were non-state actors,... If they are non-state actors, operating from the Land of Pakistan, they are still Paks responsibility!

    2. I am NOT suggesting air strikes within Pak, i am saying Air strikes in Pakistan occupied Kashmir,.... which is technicaly and legally a Part of India!

    M.
     
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    M5love Well-Known Member

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    save your technicalities and legalities for yourself, your going to need them. You have no right to declare Kashmir a part of India, let the Kashmiris decide if they want to be part of or an independent state.

    and who is "Ms Rice", she has no business here and she shouldn't,,, but like always our politicians love to kiss ass. Ms Rice is god to them.

    and for your info, the FBI have concluded from the investigations that the ISI has no hand in the Mumbai attacks.
     
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  8. msolution

    msolution Well-Known Member

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    ok, ... for the need of being objective! .... the Maharaja accedded Kashmir to India, and you say the people of Kashmir should decide! ....

    so are you implying , again,.... and this is a Kashmir - India issue, and what ever New Delhi does in Kashmir,... will again be a Kashmir - India thing, and no other party should have any issues with it!

    2. I already responded to your tantrums here:

    3. Politicians dont kiss ass,... they run the country, and in doing that they need money!!! which Pak aint got any!

    so you go to US kissing everyone on the way.... recently Zardari went to china,.... and came back empty handed!... lets face it everyone (including India) is facing a crunch!
     
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    M5love Well-Known Member

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    If the Kashmiri people have come out without any pressure from the Indian army or pro-Indian militias, then I will accept but the ground realities are not what the media always report, both sides including Pakistan have commited atrocities in Kashmir and I support the Kashmiris in whatever they want. They have long been a target by both sides, it's time that we let them decide WITHOUT any pressure (which exists by the way) from any international community that includes India.
     
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    aam_aam Banned

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    Man, it does not matter what is written in this book, that doesn't change history. Maharaja did whatever he did without the consent of majority of the Kashmiris. After Pakistan rightly attacked Kashmir to get back what was their in the first place, India went running to the UN. But afterwards when UN asked India to let the Kashmiris vote to where they wanna go, India started saying, "this is our internal issue blah blah blah":p

    Kashmiris have the right to choose where they want to go, Pak or India! And if you think that Pakistan is aiding the kashmir movement, by sending some militants every now and then, then what the hell are so many Indian troops doing there,. Are they just to stop a few cross border militants....or ARE THEY SUPRESSING THE KASHMIR POPULATION! But at the same time, Pakistan has not put millioms of troops in Azad kashmir, means they are pretty happy there, at least they are living like a normal pakistani.
     
    aam_aam, Dec 21, 2008 IP