That is the problem with your view - it is based on a lie. Innocents do get killed on both sides. The difference is that the Palestinians terror groups purposely try to kill innocents. The Israelis try to kill the terrorists who hide amongst innocents and try to avoid civilian casualties. When you pretend they are the same you demonstrate your unwillingness to be honest. When people like you sitting in England lie about it, it only hurts the Palestinians. When people like you support what Hamas is doing you keep innocent Palestinians from ever achieving peace. People like you should be ashamed for how you hurt the true Palestinian cause.
Ahhh, so all the talk about Israel being a bunch of zionist pigs....that has nothing to do with it right? And you never acknowledged my point about them putting on uniforms etc. And if it is about land, it is about land the Israelis won fair and square in 1967 when they were attacked by the arab nations in the middle east. To the victor goes the spoils. Now please, go to a war zone with terrorists blowing up innocent civilians all the time and tell me how you would feel to live in that type of world? Negotiations would work much better than this crappy lets hide in the civilian population to make the israelis look bad bull shit.
I cant believe most people are siding with Israel... mostly it used to be Israel does this Israel does that now people understand that the Arabs in question are terrorists clearly if they stopped shooting rockets Israel might even help them open a country heck who knows
The problem is you always either say antisemitic, or lie, without really saying why, or pointing where is the lie, if you mean Israel kill indiscriminately, is a lie, then note that first suicide bombing happened after about 27 years of occupation, for a reason, ever asked yourself why it took Palestinians 27 years to start using suicide bombings if its as you implied is in their ideology? since the first day of this illegal entity called Israel, they practiced killing without distinguishing, they did not even save women and children and shot them at close range, read red cross report about some of the very early crimes of this illegal state: source edited to add: and do you think they changed now? The leopard does not change his spots.
I called out his lie and then explained exactly why it was a lie. Your inability to comprehend is not my problem. As far your claim that I "always call things antisemitic or a lie" that too is simply false. But you know that already. Your inept defense to my post is to pretend I called someone antisemitic. The few times I have done so over the years on this forum - I stand by them 100%. Shall we bring them up and see if you disagree or do you want to stick to the topic at hand?
ah, then you should have noticed that this was not his lie because he quoted it from that link he had in the bottom, which I really hope you did read because its about "Suicide Bombing from a Palestinian Christian Perspective" as for the times you used antisemitic, it was not clear for me why you called him antisemitic, I would appreciate it if you explained, but its not important right now, now was I right to read in your post an imply to say suicide bombings is a Muslim ideology? if so, why they did not put it in use since the beginning instead of waiting more than 20 years?
Israel has a right to that land, they won it, if the Arabic Middle Eastern Countries wouldn't have underestimate Israel and try to push them into the sea (7 day war) then Israel wouldn't be in those lands now. And Palestine would be a self governing sovereign country. Now, I stand by what I said, stop hiding behind civilians, put on a uniform, and gain your independence the honorable way.
No, you are reading things into my post that are not there. Suicide bombings and indiscriminate rocket fire are merely tactics that have been adopted by groups who claim Islam as their guide. Groups like Hamas and Hezbollah. Are you saying that Hamas and Hezbollah are not Islamic organizations? Why Muslims as a whole don't disavow those tactics and those groups is a mystery to me.
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Islam has been around for more than 1400 years, how long suicide bombings have been there? I think since 1994 in occupied Palestine, which is 27 years after the occupation of west bank, about 46 years of occupying 1948 territories, and after baruch goldstein did his crime when he opened fire on Muslims praying at the mosque, that was when the first suicide bombing happened, obviously it came as a result of the terrorist actions by the illegal state and its morally-terrorist inhabitants as their prime minister once said. why so annoyed about it? suicide bombings are terror acts, but why Israel is so annoyed with terrorism since its in their morals and traditions as their prime minister said: its the question I asked to Lemon yesterday, and he did not answer, maybe you can answer?
Suicide bombings have been used for a long time... it's not a new phenomena.. only the people who have the ostrich syndrome think it's a new tactic.
I am not sure what point you are making. I don't know if it is against Jewish morality or against Islamic morality. I know it is against my morality. Who cares how new or old the tactic is. That it is being used today is what I am speaking about. I don't waste my time arguing about all the misdeeds of man throughout history. I think it is a counter productive tactic that everyone should disavow. It seems that you can't bring yourself to just say it is wrong. It seems you, like many on this forum, try to justify terrorist acts by saying someone else did it first. Did that work for you in the 1st grade? That is a childish and silly argument.
If you want to know my stand about suicide bombings, or terrorism in general, you could have just asked and I would gladly answer you despite I have mentioned it yesterday when I said can I borrow your sentence? "you are reading things into my post that are not there. " who cares? you mean its ok for Israel to adopt terrorism as a means of war, and have no moral problem with it, and even say its in their traditions, then when the victims of such terrorism reply with the same weapon they used against them for many years - you suddenly appear and blame the victim for it, and you expect them to listen?
Are you serious? I mean if one nation-race-religious group have right to get land they want by using force than you simply can't deny that right to other nation-race-religious group. And it's funny when you guys always say: hey! why they don't put uniforms and fight like real army? Why didn't Jews when they first came to Palestine put uniforms and fought like real army? Instead they used terrorism to form State of Israel. And that same State of Israel are first state in ME that elected terrorist for prime minister and now you whine all day long how Palestinians elected Hamas into power! And you did same thing way before Hamas even was created with help of Israel. So give me a break and stop talking nonsense about honor! Learn something about your own history and let's than talk about putting on uniform. According to your logic France resistance during WWII were also cowards because those in towns didn't wear uniforms and they were hiding behind civilians too. And Germans were honorable according to your logic, right?
Where are you getting this claim that it is in their traditions? The quote you keep citing says something very different. I don't have time to keep correcting all your misstatements and your misunderstanding of things. This is pointless. When the Palestinians stop using terrorism to achieve peace, they just might get it.
Israel was Israel before islam was invented. There is no palestinian land. Palestine was a name given to the area by Romans (those dirty kafir ) It was Israel first and it is Israel now. No entity on earth has more experience in occupying and stealing others lands, than islam, as indicated by history. Sadly, muslims still occupy parts of Israel's lands. Israel shows far more restraint in tolerating savages who believe they will get virgins for killing Jews than most any other country I can think of. Interesting to see how many actually support hamas, a known terrorist group.
Actually most of worlds land was previously owned by somone else like the country you curently live in. Your own country is completly built on stolen land and, as you always forget to say, Israel is also built on land Jews stole from somone else. They weren't first there but somehow you always forget to mention that history fact. Hopefully some day, you will stop posting only those parts of history which supports your twisted view of world. I don't know why do you keep posting twisted things? It's not about peace, it's about land. Of course, if Palestinians stop fighting today, tommorow there would be peace but than Palestinians wouldn't get their land back. Period. And it's fact that people like you simply won't admit.
I'm glad you agree that Israel was Israel before your religion was invented. No entity on earth has more experience in stealing other's lands than islam. Someday, illegal muslims will no longer occupy Israel's lands. Perhaps some day, Christians will take back all the lands stolen by islam as well.
When you say they want their land back - what land are you referring to? All of Israel? The land Israel won when attacked by Arab armies in 1967? They might get the latter, but then will never have the former. There was never a Palestinian nation. The land that belongs to Palestinians is Jordan. Go attack Jordan and get your land back, or better yes, fight Jordan for full Jordanian citizenship. You and I both know that Muslims and Arabs are fighting to remove Israel from the map. That will never happen, no matter how much terrorism you throw at Israel.
I thought we have discussed this in details a while ago, military win, does not give the right to own the land, its then considered occupied, we also discussed who started 1967 and it was Israel.