Chacha Rahman---mastermind Of Mumbai Attacks!!!

Indian Muslims, ... the term denotes Muslims living in India.... so i believe your talking Pakistanis!

Pakistanis wanted Pakistan, they got Pakistan, coz of a major population of Bengal was Muslim, East Pakistan was formed!

But then East Pakistan wanted independence and it got Independence,

The State of Kashmir wanted to remain independent in 1947, but was asked to make a choice, it chose India, ....
Freedom at Midnight Page: 401

Please read this book, before replying .... guess it will take away all paradigms you have about what happened then!

it was Pak state that sent truck loads of people (Pathans) to Srinagar, to create a racket in Kasmir in 1947!

Who ever told you Kasmir doe not hold free and fair elections!!! thats a first!

If you goto inside Kashmir, (im not talking Srinagar) .... they will tel you they are sick and tired living in Army Rule,.... but alas what will the army do! the day they leave, Kashmir would fall like a house of cards!

everyday there are grenade attacks, and mishaps and terrorist attacks!
the day Pak is forced to shut down its terror camps the Kashmiri's will see better days,.

POK living in peace!!!.... well the rest of India is living in Peace!!! Kashmir is at unrest coz of cross border terrorism!

If you talk what Kashmiri's want, please include Kashmiri Pundits next time!

M.

EDIT:
@ Kashifccc:
1. the so called "terror camps" of India are Indias internal matters, and do not bother Pak. they are not going into Pak to create a racket there.
2. "BJP" ... the main opposition party was the party that started the bus service and the train service to unite the 2 countries,... but they were reciprocated with Kargil.....

So whos the aggressor here!!!!

 

Ya perhaps i think you're right there....India does hold free and fair elections in occupied Jammu Kashmir.....by detainging all the Hurriat Conference major leaders and imposing curfew and God knows what more! well, you talk about Kashmir pundits, it has been an effective tactic of india that it has been buying time in the past years and is importing hindus into kashmir to finish Muslim majority, so that even if a "fair and free" election is held India gets the vote.

Well, now i'll tell you some facts which won't need any verification! After India occupied Kashmir and as Pakistan had no real army at independence and the a****** British Commander refused to take action in Kashmir, many Pathans did go to Kashmir to get ...what was in reality Pakistan's land.

But more importantly, what happened next: India seeing that Kashmir was getting out of hand went to UN, to solve the matter. That was a good step!But afterwards i wonder why UN asked India to hold a referendum in Kashmir, not an election, in which people of kashmir will decide that where they wanna go. But then India said, O this is our internal matter! Seems like World's 2nd largest democracy was afraid that the majority of population might vote for Pakistan, so why hold a referendum!

The number of soldiers right now in Kashmir can't anyway be for just 'stoping the militants from Pakistan', they are to supress the independence movement, but im sure you won't accept that you've already been brain washed at high school, so leave it!

The rest of the India as you say is living in peace, but this peace gor a little distirbed in 2001 when Narinder Modi asked his Hindu fanatic mates, to do whatever yuo can for three days'.i heard that there are more than hundred seperation movements in india....but i'm sure you think that ISI is behind them too!

I wonder when India will give evidence to Pakistan about mumbai, news is that they have found Pakistani credit cards from the terrorists as well, i'm excited to see them. Or probably India is taking time to manufacture some more 'Evidence', after all India only talks when they have solid evidence.

Talking about solid evidence, Here is an evidence about Indian terrorists, he confessed that he commited terrorism not under police detention, in fact he's PROUD OF KILLING MUSLIMS!And what more, he's free right now, no punishment, of course he's just killed Muslims, no crime!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfnTl_Fwvbo

I expect that you're gonna blame that on ISI and terror camps in Paksitan as well

 

and they are proud at home eating, drinking sleeping... wow

 

He felt proud after killing muslims
and he is living free. why?? indians??

 

Thats NOT only in Kashmir, thats accross the country buddy, anyone who can influence the voting pattern is put under arrest! thats more than logical! acccording to the law political parties should stop canvasing a day or 2 before the poll date,.... to prevent them from giving any kind of influence (monitory or otherwise) to the voters.... you'r a new born democracy, youll learn about this in time,

NOTHING against the hurriat in general,... if anyone in the state machinery had anything against them they would be banned just like other banned organisation!
It is a organisation of Indians and respected likewise!

"importing hindus"?? why were Hindus Masacered in the first place and by whom, why did they leave Kashmir in the first place???
Kashmiris are Kashmirir's whether Hindu or Muslim they have a right!!!

Ok,... the reason i asked you to read that book,... you could all facts in reverse!

i respect Jinnah for being the first prime minister and a statesman, but facts are facts! Am just referring to a well known English writer,... so trust me im not being biast here!

back to Freedom at midnight! Page 403: (please pick up the book from your local book store)

Synopsys:

Former Cheif Minister of J&K Mr Farooq Abdullah (Muslim) has gone on record to say Kashmir cannot servive as an Independent state! so that is a possibility beyong the possible!
there are seperatist groups on the payroll of you know who!!!
and seperatists form only a minority in Kashmir itself,... rest are for automony, and the public at large for a army free Kashmir! and one day they will get it!

Brainwashed in school,.... theres a gr8 deal of presumption that India works like Pak,... we do not get brainwashed, we rely on facts,... and only one of us has been talking about conspiracy theories! ... so thats Q.E.D.!

Yeah unlike Pak, India is a huge country with diverse cultures... so yes we do have issues,... more so that is Indias internal matters and should not effect you!

Pakistan is an Islamist nation, let me know how many bomb blast you have in a week! ... why muslims cant live together ... (Shia suni) ... or all of those done by RAW ...lol!!!

India has already released 10 photos with names and addresses,... what are you waiting for a special courier from God, and a air strike in Lahore?

Why doesnt Pak give names of the RAW agents it captured,

supposedly a "female RAW agent" which shoud make matters more delicate, Pak should have been more transparent in such matters,... but alas thats another diversion tactic gone wrong!!!!

Let us get this straight once and for all, are we discussing Indo-Pak relations, or are we discussing internal issues of both countries???

coz if we are, ill have to dig out all Pakistani political assasinations, including but not limited to the assasination of Bhutto (father and daughter), Lal Masjid, Judge Chowdary, Mariat Hotel ... ...

2. that is a hidden camera, isint it true the Jaish-e-Mohammad chief Masood Azhar and other terrorist give speeches in open to the people in Pak??? ive seen that clip on TV, where he says "the world calls Jihadis terrorists"!!!.... according to him killing innocents is OK???

Shabana Aazmi did have issues getting a flat,... but thats another isolated case! ... Nasirudeen Shah has gone on record that he had no issues ever living in Mumbai,
Sharukh Khan has a 8 story house in Bandra, the most expensive places in Mumbai!!
Aamir Khan, Salman Khan have been living in Mumbai since god knows how long!
we have Muslims in the Indian cricket team!!!

so take this hindu muslim bullshit some place else!

tell me how many Hindus have been killed over the years in Pak,... why so many Hindus converted to christanity coz there was mass ethinic cleansing going on in Pak!

M.

 

can't read this. too long...

I think your post is about india terrorist.

 

indian terrorist .... dont worry they wont come to Pak,.... (but i wish they would!)

 

First of all it was you who diverted the topic; I was puting objections over the "EVIDENCES" given by Indian Inteillgence, and then you said 'ummm...leave evidence here r 'facts': There are terrorist camps in Pakistan and blah blah blah!'

Seems like you're very touchy about your 'Internal Issues', the reason of presenting that confession video of that S.O.A.B. is that there are indeed "internal problems' in india, therefore we cannot blindly rule out the involvement of Indian Terrorists in Mumbai attacks.

But as i had expected, even after giving you that video..not a single word about condemning that freak...Just Islamic Jihadists seem to be the only evil left in the world. Narinder Modi who i think is still in a public office in India has not been arrested....probably Indian "Intelligence" does not have solid proof against him, but ya there pretty good at collecting (manufacturing) evidence against Pakistan.

Ok, yes India has released 10 photos and names etc, but where is the proof that these names and addresses are also real. There are thousands of pakistanis stranded in Indian cells(most of whom when return home have totally lost there mind due to torture), so they can be used. All im saying is..the details given by Indians may be true or may be false.

And yes, youre spot on, we're a new born democracy and parties stop campaigning before few days of election. But I wonder why 2 kashmiris were killed in a peaceful protest(the link is in a previous post)...ahh..they were Pakistani terrorists, right? The fact is that you're DEMOCRACY(Propaganda State) does not even allow a prisoner to get a lawyer, recently a lawyer's house was raided by Indian Moderate Hindus, because he was gonna fight a case for Ajmal Kasab.

And for God's sake(if you do believe in God), where did you come up with that Hindu ethnic cleansing in Paksitan??? Thats precisely the 'brainwashing' i was talking about, kid!
http://www.revolutionarydemocracy.org/parl/gujarat.htm

While there has been much talk that some parts of ISI not under control of Government carry out attacks in India and Afghanistan, it seems that the Indian RAW is actually fully instructed by the Indian GOVT. to create havoc in other neoghbors:
'Lanka Letter: RAW THE RASCAL by Prem Raj in Columbo. Up to the mid-seventies the Sri Lankan government had kept India happy by following policies which followed the Indian line - domestically and externally. The trouble began in 1977 when the Sri Lanka Freedom Party (SLFP) lost power to the Jayewardene-led United National Party in elections. He moved towards a more cooperative policy with the United States and Sri Lanka chose to oppose the Indian demand for the withdrawal of all foreign naval forces from the Indian Ocean. Mrs. Gandhi had already been irked by Sri Lanka’s support to Pakistan during the 1971 war when it allowed landing and fuelling facilities to Pakistan’s East-West commercial flights.

So RAW saw a perfect opportunity to exploit within the prevailing dispute between the Sinhalese majority (74 percent) and Tamil minority (14 percent) over distribution of economic and social spoils of independence. Before the two sides could work out a compromise, India, through its RAW, managed to polarise the two sides as well as militarise this essentially political conflict. On the Mukti Bahini model, RAW built up terrorist training camps in India for a number of Tamil terrorist organisations, while India suddenly began orchestrating a public campaign feigning concern because of the links the Tamils had with the 50 million Indian Tamils of Tamil Nadu state - which was separated from Sri Lanka by the Palk Straits. It was only a matter of time before the militants trained in India began sidelining the moderate Tamils and instead demanding complete independence - Ealam. Ironically, the presence of Tamil training camps in Tamil Nadu often created a law and order situation when large arms were captured by the state police. The surprise for the state government came when New Delhi ordered that such captured material be returned.

According to Rohan Gunaratna, in his book Indian Intervention in Sri Lanka, RAW waged a secret war in India beginning 1983 so that when the Sri Lankan armed forces launched a major offensive against the Tamil militancy in 1987, the Indian government had already ensured that the Tamils were well supplied and were able to conduct terrorist acts that brought the war closer to Colombo. Tamil Nadu had become the sanctuary for the Tamil terrorists in their hit-and-run tactics. Already, a year prior to this offensive, that is by 1986, there were over 20,000 Indian trained and financed Tamils and India forced Sri Lanka through this militant pressure to alter its foreign policy. But even more crucial, India by now was systematically destabilising Sri Lanka. Being unable to resist the temptation to now intervene directly, India used the Sri Lankan offensive against the Tamil terrorists to force Sri Lanka to accept India’s armed intervention ostensibly to save ‘ innocent Tamil civilians’. Unfortunately for India, the controversial Indo-Sri Lankan Accord of July 1987 proved to be as much of a failure as India’s policy of direct intervention. The result was India’s massively assisted LTTE (Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam) turned on its benefactor and declared war against the Indian forces in Sri Lanka. All in all, this Indian adventure killed 60,000 men, women and children and forced the Indians to withdraw their forces without successfully completing their mission. The price has been steep for both India and Sri Lanka and even today Sri Lanka is paying the price for this Indian-initiated and RAW inspired polarised conflict. The extent of RAW’s role in this affair has been painstakingly documented by Gunaratna in his book on the Indian intervention.'

And finally, Indians also say that Paksitan is a poor and illetrate country full of extremists who want to destroy India. But India is developing rapidly and has much better literacy rate, but what's this there can even be educated Terrorists. read what this a****** sayz:
http://www.rediff.com/cms/print.jsp?docpath=//money/2008/dec/11mumterror-12-steps-to-shock-and-awe-pak-economy.htm

 

it is beyond doubt that India at large condemns what happened in Gujrat, and what happened in Kashmir, both places there was ethinic clashes, Kashmiri hindues were forced to flee, ... Gujrati Muslims still live in Gujrat,... all in all both instances are condemnable

But on the same stance Gujrat or as a matter of fact Both are Indias Internal Issues!

Yes Modi is still the Chief Minister of Gujrat, which has come a long way economically to become one of the richest states in recent times!(perhaps the richest)
Yes there are other Chief Ministers of other states who are in Jail for cases against them on charges of Murder and other crimes!
Yes the indian Judicial system is slow, but is very powerful and is above ALL, and fears none!
Its all about solid proof presentable in the courts!

Sounds more like an excuse than an accusation to me!

on the hind side yes they could not have carried out these attacks without local help,
they brainwashed good number of Indians to what was "Indian Mujjahideen", but again the money trail ended with SIMI and then in Pak, and possibly LeT.
which is where this time round they devised Deccan Mujjahideen, but failed to take ground coz they made loads of mistakes along the way, including but not limited to landing on the shores of Mumbai!

and according to your thoery, how did the Indians brainwashed these so called Pakistanis, to go out at sea ... then come back do the bombing, and then we'll catch you and kill you!!

or some other people came via boat, and some other did the attack, and the India showed some other photos,

but in the end FBI / scotland yard and other interogated Kasab for 9 hours each!!! and both said Kasab is Pakistani!

how did india pull this out!

http://www.boston.com/news/world/as...i_election_protesters_shot_in_indian_kashmir/

1, If you want to live in India, you have to abide by the Law! you would agree on this, (i cant come to Pak and kill people! killing is against the Pak law)
there is an election going on, it is your right to vote or not to vote,.... but again "Influencing others" is against the Law!
2, if They are throwing stones at the police, the police has all rights to defend itself, not a pretty site, not justified, but own life is own life!
it is their duty to hold free and fair election, and they are loyal enough to ensure that happens!

This is another Shameful chapter in the Indian History, but again, go back to history and see how it all started!

not proud, totally condemnable, but again Indias internal matters!

Brainwashing: i rather you ask your parents about it, and judge yourself!


M.

 

try to down www.google.com first

 

You will not find a single person who was happy at the mumbai attacks on hotels in pak, and yet after the attacks, a blame attack has been launched as if the govt. and each and every Paksiatani was part of the attack. Recently the administration of the Oberoi hotel banned any Paksitani from staying at there hotel! What does that tell us about the Indian mindset. Indian so-called Intellectuals and Ex-Generals and Economists are talking of destroying Pakistan, this very attitude displayed by India since independence has led to strain in relations.

And as far as your above comments are concerned, you read them once more and i'm sure you'll be ashamed of them, if you're also a HUMAN not only an Indian.

 

Now this is a first!I have come across a guy who is DEFENDING Narinder Modi, at least i see your comments like this. That guy supervised the murder of Indian Muslims, allowed his Fanatic Hindus mates to 'do what ever for three days', and even went to congratulate them for their great religious duty! And you'tre telling me, thatr under him Gujrat became rich!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z114wnwXtQ&feature=related

Great Story...who wrote it!(second Paragraph)

Dear me...people throwing stones at armed policemen should be shot dead in defence?That's outrageous! if we follow this theory, then by now thousands of students in Greece would have been killed who are protesting and throwing stones on police for the past two weeks! Police even have shields to stop stones from injuring them.,seems like Indians do not even conmsider kashmiris to be Indian citizens, just interested in their land!