Buying Links penalty

Discussion in 'Google' started by adsensecliks, Dec 11, 2008.

  1. #1
    Hello,

    I see thousands of threads by seo professionals discussing that Google does not like buying or selling links.

    Thousands say that directory submissions lead to penalization by google.

    Now i want a explaination from SEO professionals....

    1) If google does not like buying or selling links then why does these freelancer sites exist, why many people still want to buy links and sell links and still get top rankings. Without buying or selling or infact participating in linkexchanging, forum posts or blog posts or social bookmarking how can someone get backlinks to his site, if someone is not paid for adding a link on his site why does he add a my site...

    2) Many people want to buy PR1-7 links to get top rankings, to get high PR. Is google blind on all these.

    3) I have a site with PR3 and PR4, i never like to link exchange or like to add other links on my site, if some one pays i would, but people say that google might reduce my PR or sandbox me.

    4) I think google itself wants to earn money from adwords, it does not someone selling links.

    5) Next, all the PR for my sites are achieved via directory submissions and article submissions and i have good keyword rankings as well, i dont know why people create many threads saying directory submissions are waste and might lead to ban or sand box..

    if that's the case some idiot competitors might use a simple directory submission tool and submit his competitors sites to 1000's of free web directories and he himself can be no.1

    I dont like people debating on what google has not come out openly. Buying or selling links, directory submissions, multiple ips i never see that google has openly posted any comments on these topics...

    Lets be bolder and knowledgeable and dont follow some others topics, let us ask google to come out openly and let us know how to build backlinks and traffic...

    I hope DP members understand my feelings here...
     
    adsensecliks, Dec 11, 2008 IP
  2. Lexiseek

    Lexiseek Banned

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    #2
    Yes, you figured out the truth: paid links work. That's why Google talks about them. They want to scare people away from an effective mode of SEO.

    Plus there's nothing illegal or immoral about buying or selling a link. Google sells links all day, don't they?
     
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  3. webcoolest

    webcoolest Peon

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    I also agree with your comment. Few months ago a person from a debt consolidation company sent me a mail for purchasing a link. That time I have checked their rank at google with their main keyword. They ware #4 with the main keyword but now they are #1. So it is true that paid links are still working and also increase your rank(Till you are not tracked by Google) .
     
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  4. adsensecliks

    adsensecliks Peon

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    I have been informed by one my client from US that one of his firm has owned #1 in google for a cell phone site for an unknown amount, i am talking here about organic results and not sponsored listings. Imagine what would have been the hardships of seo professionals working to get #1 for the same keyword and here we see google already earning huge income and we follow its steps, thinking god google will smile on us for our efforts soon and we get good rankings and traffic... pitty ...
     
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  5. lycos

    lycos Well-Known Member

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    #5
    1) Some websites will willingly want to link to yours if it has genuine and valuable web contents. On the link selling issue, well that's way on how things go around. But make sure all these were done underground.

    2) It's not easy to uncover the sale unless it was reported.

    3) Don't go about if you think it might hurt your ranking.

    4) No, link sales will pass on artificial page rank and manipulation to their search engine ranking. That's why they don't like it.

    5) Not really, don't believe everything that others say. Digest it yourself and come up with your own conclusion.
     
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    UncleBun Banned

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    #6
    i agree with paid links work :).
     
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  7. rena

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    paid links will work if the linked site is having good PR. I never say any site penalized by buying links. But may be there is chance of decreasing PR by selling links
     
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  8. Lexiseek

    Lexiseek Banned

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    #8
    They will squelch your visible PR, but leave your internal PR. You still rank anyways. Talk about a mixed message.
     
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    #9
    Buying and selling links is definitely legal. You can see Google itself promotes various Link Building Sites through Adwords.
     
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    i could never figure out how google would distinguish between paid an unpaid links.
     
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  11. Stephen White

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    Isn't that the truth. While I can see Google's point (they want the purest and most relevant results showing up in the serps) it all just seems a little hypocritical at times. The same rules should apply to all.
     
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    #12
    Selling Links can lose you all Pagerank but your site remains indexed.

    Buying Links - Google doesn't like it but obviously a lot of people are doing it now and will continue to do it. If they find you are buying links your site could get hit with a penalty or in extreme cases deindexed.

    What you do with your site is upto you. What Google like and dislikes is upto them, it's their search engine...

    Dean
     
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    I think the algorithm probably accounts for total backlink quality. This means you could have 100,000 backlinks from no name pages and you'll get nothing out of it. However, if you have 100 quality backlinks from large pages you'll get a lot out of it.
     
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    At the moment, the risk in paid links is almost completely with the seller. If Google penalized the "buyer's" site, it would be too easy for someone to get another person's site penalized. The primary risk to the buyer is that the link will be discounted or ignored by Google and you get no value for your money.

    Google does not sell links. Google sells ads. The "links" in AdWords/AdSense ads do not pass PageRank and do not affect rankings, and that's the vital distinction. Google's Guidelines allow you to sell your own ads by either (a) encoding the link in JavaScript as Google does, or (b) using the rel="nofollow" attribute on the link because those methods don't pass PageRank and don't affect the rankings.
     
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    What do u mean by this? What if your backlinks came from viral sources?
     
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  16. Lexiseek

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    Text links are ads, too. Why would they need special formatting to not be an ad? The FCC certainly wouldn't agree with that supposed qualification.

    NOFOLLOW was invented especially to get rid of comment spam. It has nothing to do with ads. People now use NOFOLLOW on nearly every link, so how can Google differentiate them from regular links?

    People bought and sold text links on the internet long before Google was even a wet dream for Page and Brin.
     
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    Hi.
    That´s a very interesting point. What happens when backlinks came from viral sources?
    I wonder if this links are treated in a different way from others.
     
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    The vital distinction here is that google adwords ads are placed on top of the top10 organic results despite the quality of the website that purchased it.The more you pay the higher they place your ad. How does it not affect the rankings?
     
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