Security guards 'machine-gunned Iraqis as they tried to surrender'

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/world/Security--guards-39machinegunned-.4773217.jp


This is only 1 out of thousands of other cases that go unreported. Slowly but surely the invaders are losing the war and more of these horrific cases will come to light.

 

Centcom strikes again. Makes you embarresed to fill your gas tank.

 

1 out of thousands unreported? Ummm... that is your opinion. You have no way of verifying it, but you state it as if it were understood fact. As for "losing the war"... no, not a fact.

Couldnt you just pick ONE thread in which to share your abject hatred for the US and/or your sympathy for terrorists, or is it absolutely necessary to have a brand new thread for each associated millithought? I have as much real knowledge of Pakistan as you do the US (ie - damn near nothing)... but I dont run around starting threads to proclaim it a third-world upholstered outhouse of a terrorist breeding facility (and frankly there is at LEAST as much support for that opinion as there is for the constant hatred you spread about our country).

It is fortunate for you that few here would form their opinion about all Paki's based on your example.

 

Can you stop being an idiot for once and actually mabye have a shred of sympathy for those that were unlawfully and brutally killed.

 

The first post actually had valid points.
Step back from the media bubble. No one is saying that American soliders are not brave or clever which is normally how such posts are interpreted.
If you are bored have a look at AMerican oil imports since WWII. More than 50 % is imported but the demand is so much higher.
Brave people from many European and especially the US have sacrificed themselves so the likes of you and me can stay in the lifestyles we expect. Oil is not just about motor vehicles but about growth of an economy.
Basically the middle east has such a controling factor on our lives we had no choice but to send in the troops. If bored research the history of centcom.
This is not to say that the Iraqis, Afghans, people you bundle into muslims are not brave to. In fact many would say that they are braver since they knowingly face far superior technology.
Terrorists? If the Soviet Union had invaded the US and you had defended the Eagle...would you have been a terrorist or a freedom fighter.

Behind the scenes.. have a think and open your eyes....
How many terrorist organisations get their funding indirectly from the CIA or splinter group. We will never know?

Every time there is an armed conflict that touches somewhere there is oild step back and look for the horizon.
Somali pirates indeed.....the next thing you know the Nimitz will be off Mogadishu.....
Mumbai.........
For 10 points which famous US american family owns a large share of the oil off the coast of Ethiopia.

 

Whoah... slow down there junior...

----1- The only point I took exception to was his opinion line at the bottom. It was totally insupportable.

----2- As for "no one is saying that American soldiers are not brave and clever"... Huh? The article is about private security guards.

Did you even READ our posts before typing? LOL.

 

The wierd thing about private security guards for the US is that this is the first time we have had this in modern period. A lot of those guys, reportedly, are ex military like the above guys referenced.

Not referencing the rightness or wrongness of Iraq, but we shouldn't have had to resort to private security guards. It was something this administration didn't come clean on with the American public.

How many private security guards were there? We don't know? how many as ex military like the guys referenced? We don't know. How many died or were injured? We don't know. What were all their functions? We don't know. Did they have a system of responsibility as with the military? We don't know.

how would the guys that are being charged be treated if they had been soldiers?

 

robjones I don't know where you get your stuff. I haven't heard anyone mention sympathy for terriost in his post.

 

Yeah have to agree with old man rob He was merely addressing the inaccuracy of the OP's opinion statement at the end.

I highly doubt there are thousands of cases (thousands of people perhaps) and assuming you mean the U.S. when you say invaders are losing (because there are A LOT of people invading that country to fight on one side or the other) I'd have to disagree as well.

The "war" was over in less than 48 hours. We won as expected. It's just the whole "what do we do after we win" part that wasn't so well thought out.

But then what do I know, I'm one of those liberals who didn't see a reason to go to that godforsaken country in the first place.

 

Honestly this winning and losing thing, I don't believe people are really in disagreement. Everyone is in agreement is just the definition of winning and losing here is a bit ambigious. You guys are talking about different propositions.

 

Well the thing is he specifically said what he was talking about and I addressed it. He said "the war".

I accurately pointed out that the "war" was won within 48 hours.

Now having comprehended your point here I can see where there is some ambiguity here. But that's because he incorrectly labeled what's going on in Iraq as a "war". Sure Bush likes to call it part of the war on terror. But that's a Bushism. Plenty of us, including the current President-elect do not consider the Iraq occupation, mess, clusterfuck, whateveryouwanttocallit, to be a part of the global war on terror.

 

a country has not won a war until it it either conquers the land or leaves... none of that happened, Americans are still fighting which means it's still a "war".

 

I refuse to call anything Mismatch a war.

I would like...one day that we finally pick a fight with a country that can actually depend itself: Russia, China?

...other than that, we are the "PUSSIES" and they are the Brave...think about it.

 

LOL. So your government hasnt won the war in their own country yet? Pretty freakin' obvious they don't control all of it or they wouldnt have to make constant excuses about all the terrorists hiding up there in the mountains. Maybe you oughta go back and give them a hand.

 

This is a disgusting case and the murders were obviously atrocities, but I do have to agree with others who said that saying this is a case that us one of a thousand of unreported incidents is BS, and totally unsupportable. Believe it or not, the US isn't always covering it's tracks, things like this do and have gotten out when it has involved soldiers. This doesn't just happen every day, and it has to be said that this was not a military action, it was a group of former soldiers who joined up with Blackwater as personal bodyguards.

Horrible things are done during a war, civilians and soldiers die alike, but it comes from both sides, i.e soldiers vs insurgents or fanatic groups that go after innocent citizens. That is not at all what this is, and turning it into something that it isn't by saying it's an everyday problem, and making it seem like it has anything to do with "the invaders" i.e. the US military, and not a company focused on greed and hiring others to do their dirty work, it misguided to say the least.

 

Alright 0087... I owe you a green to make up for the hasty words yesterday (although I think you got a gray anyway, but nonetheless).

 

Ok, let's check out the gitmo cases, as you said in previous post in another thread, "we all know what goes on in Gitmo".. we know what goes on but most of it goes unreported. Why would the government risk even more humiliation in the eyes of its own people? There are many secret prisons around the world run by the USA, that goes unreported too.

The point I tried to make in my first post was just that, things like these usually go unreported in the mass media. The one with the power controls what is propagated and that being America. We do not here of these atrocities, all we hear is a suicide bombing here and there.. War goes both ways, one can kill by dropping bombs or strapping a bomb, still innocent lives are lost. Abu Gharaib, Gitmo, Falujah, just a few names of the barbaric action the Americans have brought with them.

As for the mercenaries, they may be a private organization, but who pays for them? Exactly, so what's the difference between the soldiers and mercenaries? Just that mercenaries might be more skilled and willing to take more risk, that's all, they both are funded by the same source.


ps: waits for robjones to come up with his recycled "you hate America!!" posts... you owe me 1 green too dude! yay e-respect for me toooo!

 

Aw c'mon... I just recycle to offset the fact that you're contributing to global warming.

 

That will never happen of course, you only pick on little countries. Any country that is able to obtain a nuclear weapons doesn't get fucked with. They get left alone.

 

HOLY COW! I have been in Iraq, I can tell you that things like this RARELY happen. Please, get the whole story before you make a rash decision, I read something about this earlier (can't remember where) and there is quite a bit more to it, like how it took weeks for the investigators to get there. What evidence do they actually have besides some "witnesses"
Also, whats all this crap this war was about oil? It wasn't even mainly about WMD's as the media portrayed it. There were about 16 different reasons, one of them being Saddam violating about 12 UN Resolutions, all of which had in them if you do not obey, we will invade and take you out. If this crap was about oil, we wouldn't have had 4 dollar a gallon gas. Also, blackwater is there mainly for the protection of the Iraqi government officials, they do very little other things, guard the ambassador, but thats basically it. Does anyone know why this incident even occurred? It happened because another blackwater convoy got hit by an IED and they went there to help them out. People don't generally just open up on a bunch of un armed civillians for no reason. There is more to this story, if you believe everything you hear in the media, you really need to crawl back into your little hole and stay there. And wwws, if you feel we are a bunch of pussys, please, feel free to leave the country and don't come back. We don't need you.