You know if these excuse my language idiots could learn how to comprehend the quran. It states clear as day let me go get the verse exactly as it read.... will edit in a second. Edit: [2:62] Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the converts; anyone who (1) believes in GOD, and (2) believes in the Last Day, and (3) leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve. What does that mean to you? Your Quran. Read it. Comprehend it don't take words out and put them together how you like it that is a sin punishable by well you should know. learn that when the quran speaks of non believers it is speaking of the idol worshipers and atheists(no offense atheist group of DP).
Correction. That is to prevent misleading and division in factions mate. The religion itself defines the fact that Islam would be divided into 72 Factions (Correct me if I'm wrong) till the time the day of resurrection comes. I am just saying, that wrong doers can either be guided or if they are a threat to the overall community then their efforts need to be stopped (not always brutal). I am never saying War is legal in anyway. Nor am I talking about the permission to fight against anyone that doesn't follow your word.
What exactly do you mean by wrong doers? Anyone who leaves Islam to follow some other religion becomes a wrong doer? Could you explain?
Not really mate. By Wrong doers I mean people who don't follow ANY religion.! The message of Allah has been changed time to time and as Islam preaches, the true word is only left in the form of Quran. If you are following the actual scripture of Allah, be it any religion and follow the guidelines and principles set forth by all the apostles and books, you are doing right. Otherwise, if you change it according to your needs so much so that it goes against or any religion, then you become a wrong doer. That is all. I am not preaching any religion here. I respect all of them.
So, by your definition, I am a wrong doer. I am a self proclaimed agnostic/atheist. I don't give a rat's ass as to what Islam or any other religion says for that matter. So, according to Islam, I should be put away for good or what?
A Debate Mufti sat next to a Reverend on a flight. The Rev asked the Mufti, What is your occupation? Mufti: I'm into big business Rev: But what business exactly? Mufti: I deal with God Rev: Ah, so you're a Muslim religious leader. I have one problem with you Muslims: you oppress your women. Mufti: How do we oppress women? Rev: You make your women cover up completely and you keep them in the homes. Mufti: Ah. I have a problem with you people: you oppress MONEY. Rev: What? How can one oppress money? Mufti: You keep your money hidden away, in wallets, banks and safes. You keep it covered up. Why don't yo u display it in public if it's a beautiful thing? Rev: It will get stolen, obviously. Mufti: You keep your money hidden because it is so valuable. We value the true worth of women far, far more. Therefore, these precious jewels are not on display to one and all. They are kept in honor and dignity....
Hey friends, pls stop word battle. We’re peace loving ordinary people here. Terrorist is terrorist. They are not Muslim, Christian, or Hindu. They have no religion. They are under the mask of religion. All these are the game of politicians. Religion is their business, killing is their profitable business! Where in the holy religious scriptures written that kill innocent people? Where? Death sentence is only approved for serious criminals when it’s proved. Who killed the most people? It’s Hitlar. He was a Christian. Can we blame Christianity for this? No! Killing was his way to survive. Where in the bible written to kill innocent people? In Quran only enemies were killed in battle field. If they pardon they were forgiven. What George Bush has done to Iraq. Did they show mercy to Iraqis? For only one man, they killed uncountable innocent man, women, and children. They destroyed a country for one man. Muslim woman can not show their face in public place is completely wrong. Lets look ourself, do we follow our religion in a right way. Kindly concentrate in the picture of Mother-Marry. Look at her dress. She dressed like a Muslim woman! She must be the model of Christian women. What Allah said in Quaran about clothing? How the father/sister in a church dressed like? How Jesus Christ dressed like? Do we follow them? Where is the concept of mini skirt, tight jeans, bikini etc etc in our religious? We must follow the dress and work what God has fixed for us. If you want to know anything about any religion, follow the religious scriptures. Don’t follow its followers.
The problem I have with that analogy is that it compares women to things, rather than recognizes that we are human beings with rights. If a woman is forced to dress a certain way out of intimidation, and fear of violence against her, if acid is thrown in a womans face or she is beaten down for not wearing a covering, that's oppression (not being treated like a jewel). However, if she chooses to wear Muslim covering, because it makes her feel more comfortable or happy, then it's not. IMO, I'm not opposed to the garb they wear, I'm opposed to situations in which women do not have a choice.
I agree with you Rebecca. What’s going on is our fault. Some muslims are crossing the limit. What they are doing to cover women is too much. As an Islamic way there’s no need to cover face, palm, and feet (Christian women dress up is similar to this). They can work outside. If a woman disagrees to dress such a way, no one is permitted to force her or hurt her mentally or physically. The only way is request her politely. I read holly Quran. According to Quran, it’s a serious crime to force or hurt somebody mentally or physically.
Well then that exists in every race, religion, culture, country. It would be immature to say only Muslims do that.
Islam is split when it comes to this issue. There are some who say that the hands and face of the women should be covered, while others say it does not have to be covered. The first take proof in the fact that Allah ordered in the Quran the wives of the prophet to cover their faces, and as Muslims, women should abide by that rule. The second take proof that when women pray or perform pilgrimage, they are not allowed to cover their faces/hands. If it was not allowed, then it is not wrong. Peace,
Mate I'm not saying that! Get it clear, I also said before that if you are a hinderence to any religion (in the sense that you are misleading people to do something in the name of our religion). Only then are you subject to any thing. Otherwise, if you remain at peace, nobody gives a damn what you do at your place, and what you think about any religion. I'm not starting a HOLY CRUSADE here.
Fair enough. You could have put it this way instead of saying 'By Wrong doers I mean people who don't follow ANY religion' in your previous post. Thanks for clarifying it anyway.