Calling All Pakistanis - Brilliant Article by Thomas Friedman - Must read

Didn't you see one of his posts above? He made a GREAT point. He accused me of behaving like a high school kid just because I said this was a great article. How, I mean, just how can you dare say anything against such valid, logical, intelligent arguments?

 

Thanks for quoting robjones Ignored list helps.. to reply to you robjones,

1. Okay so he pointed out 06 cartoons and protest, but he forgot to mention the Muslims who came out protesting in peace. That was unreported by the major media outlets. Why was that? Makes you think don't it? Oh btw, the peaceful protests outnumber these violent ones.

2. If the Mumbai situation was reversed? Nonsense, Pakistani cities have been target of terror since the "war on terror" began so to say it "would of" been reversed is wrong, it's already happened and happening... I don't know of what you talking about here...

3. For your info, we as a collective are fighting, 8000 Pakistani soldiers have died in this "war on terror", so you're telling me we as collective are doing nothing? Community elders and scholars are doing a lot in Pakistan but as usual it goes unnoticed by the world because the world only sees what is on the tube. And the tube only shows negative of the world.

in conclusion, if you reverse the situation, have you seen any Indians going out to the streets after Mariott hotel bombing and other such horrific attacks in Pakistan (in some, Indian terrorist hands were involved)? You see we can play this pathetic blame game all we want behind a screen, the reality is no1 is trying to spread peace here. All people want is to point out negativity, like it helps to boost their ego.

 

Well; for someone who claims to be a 'student of knowledge', your English comprehension skills are awful. Let me explain why.

You just don't get it, do you? Did you see anyone asking Pakistanis to come out and protest for the attacks on Indian parliament or the serial bomb blasts across the country? This time it is different because people from your country have been involved and there is substantial proof as well. And I see that you come up with that Marriott hotel bombing incident again and again. I already asked you a question. Does your government have any proof of Indian involvement? If it does, Indians will come to the street and protest.

The way I see it, I've put things in a way that even a kindergarten kid can understand.

 

Dude, all I was trying to explain was, if Pakistanis themselves don't come out the streets protesting attacks in their own country then what makes you think they will come out for Mumbai? That's all. And no, they shouldn't feel ANY guilt whatsoever even if the terrorists were from Pakistan. It's like saying all 1billion Indians are responsible for the murder of the Pakistanis on the train blasts because Indian terrorists were involved. Seriously, when will we stop focusing on such pathetic little things and focus on the big picture which is to bring peace from discussion? Not by pointing fingers.

 

The situation is a little different than you think it is. It is a known fact that certain regions of Pakistan are not under the control of the government and those regions are inhabited by terrorists. Now, just tell me - what would an able, competent government do at this situation? Just kill those terrorists and take back the territory, right? Why is your government refusing to do so and why are the people silent about it? Forget about protesting for Indians, people in Pakistan need to protest to save their own ass from their incompetent government. Until that happens, these problems cannot be solved. At all.

 

The war on terror wasnt something the US unilaterally started... it was a response to repeated attacks by nutbags that just happen to be wrapped in the flag of Islam and some of whom are currently hiding in Pakistan. You're gonna see a lotta public criticism of Pakistan from "the tube" until you guys either clean up the problem or get the hell outta the way and let us do it.

"Radical" Islam has worn out its welcome on the planet. If they want to meet Allah enough to go toe-to-toe with us, we can arrange the meeting.

 

Where did you get 1.3 million from, and wasn't it just 100,000 in your other post.

 

I agree, I wish we could go in there and clean up the mess, and kill anyone who gets in the way

 

I don't know where you've been lately but there has been lot going on in the NWFP region in the past months, that lot meaning bombings and killing of 'terrorists'. Listen to the news, real news here's one latest headline: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7772554.stm - "US praises Pakistan raid on group" - and the article also states, if India and US say they have ample proof, why not share it with Pakistan? What is there to hide?

http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/iraqdeaths.html

 

Frankly the mess is in their country... I'd prefer THEY cleaned it up. Tired of seeing our people lose lives because somebody else is unwilling to step to the plate. If they want to play the "respect our borders" card they need to get out there and do what needs to be done.

Unfortunately either they dont have the ability or else too many of them think anyone that wraps their cause in the right religion is a "freedom fighter" instead of a murderous psychopath, so getting them to take care of the terrorists within their own borders is unlikely.

 

There is no point in arguing with you or your government for that matter. You guys won't know proof if it came and hit you on the back of your head. Basically, once someone decides to deny anything and everything, it is easy to do. Whatever proof is presented, all you need to ask is 'where is the REAL proof'. Nice tactics, by the way.

If you are still interested in knowing the whereabouts of the terrorists, check out this link.

 

Great, now we don't even need intelligence, just rely on the media to present us with "proof". hmm stick to posting articles, I will wait for proof. Don't deny that the Indians pointed fingers at Pakistan, later finding out it was their own fellow army man... now once they did that, they loose all credibility. So save it.

 

Do you have any proof of that so called army man's involvement? You're going by the same shitty media stories right? Nothing has been proven so far against him, but for the fact that he 'admitted' masterminding the attack. He could have been tortured and made to say anything right? Why didn't you think of that possibility before pointing fingers?

 

lol am not asking for that proof... it just so happened the proof they did have, most of it, is gone with the BRAVE Karkere et al. .. what a coincidence eh?

remind me not to bother replying to you since you think I am a F'n moron.

 

An Indian Airlines plane was hijacked for the release of a terrorist named Maulana Masood Azhar. He was once again arrested by Pak govt. after attack on Indian Parliament...He was subsequently released after one year when the passion cooled down.....He is again put in house arrest after Mumbai attacks....

What the hell is going on...Some kinda circus?

The hijacking is the proof which was in front of the whole world. Why is he just not handed back to India?
Also why is Pakistan harbouring Indian Nationals like Dawood and Tiger Menon who committed crime and flew away to Pakistan to hide there.

 

He won't be handed over to India. For that matter, none of the terrorists from Pakistan will be handed over to India. But then, there is no point in blaming Pakistan authorities. If Indian leaders were good enough, they would have worried about safeguarding our borders and none of this would have happened in the first place. It just goes to show how incompetent our politicians are.

 

Every time when Indian and Pakistan are at the verge of another war, there people who are happy. Who benefits from rivalry between India & Pakistan? Neither India nor Pakistan. Of course there are few corrupt politicians, Army chiefs and Terrorists leaders who are exploiting the situation. But it is those who sell the weapons and artillery makes the most out of the situation. They will never let the tension between the two countries ease down.

If only Indians and Pakistanis could realize this fact and stay in peace...

 

there are many people with that same view. sadly it's blind hatred. Indians don't realize they are being used.

 

I find Friedman's comments to be very helpful. Every Islamic nation that tolerates Islamic fundamentalism that helps to create terrorists ultimately pays for those allowances, be it Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, or whomever. Until the larger society cracks down on the fundamentalists who can strike any innocents anywhere in the world, the nations that host them and enable them to thrive will suffer every bit as much as other nations.

 

655,000 War Dead?

http://opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009108