Long tail keyword url question

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by bob25, Dec 9, 2008.

  1. #1
    When registering a longtail domain which is better for SEO with or without hypens?

    For example if I wanted to optimize a website for the phrase: how to make money with affiliate programs

    would it be better for SEO to go with:

    howtomakemoneywithaffiliateprograms.com

    or

    how-to-make-money-with-affiliate-programs.com

    Strictly for SEO, obviously I can't expect the visitor to remember a url as long as that.

    Thanks
     
    bob25, Dec 9, 2008 IP
  2. french-webbie

    french-webbie Peon

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    Why not how-to.com/make-money/affiliate-programs/ ;)
     
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  3. bob25

    bob25 Well-Known Member

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    #3
    Yes a general keyword with combinations would give you more keyword options, but if you have the specific phrase in the domain name it's more effective.

    Thanks

     
    bob25, Dec 9, 2008 IP
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    vansterdam Notable Member

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    I would avoid having too many dashes in the domain name. Domain names with more than one or two dashes are typically only used by spammers. As such, I wouldn't be surprised if the search engines gave such domain names an automatic penalty.

    A long domain name can be a pain in the ass though. Remember you'll have to type (or copy & paste) that domain name for every link you get.
     
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  5. bob25

    bob25 Well-Known Member

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    #5
    Yeah I heard something about searchengines and hypens. I just thought that maybe it would be more recognizable by the searchengines or they might give it more weight or something, but I guess you're right and it might work the other way around.

    As for the long domain well there's a fair amount of searches and almost no competition. Anchor text hmmm... that's another problem.

    Thanks

     
    bob25, Dec 9, 2008 IP
  6. spleep1

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    #6
    Without Dashes 100%
     
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    Lloydblogger Well-Known Member

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    howtomakemoneywithaffiliateprograms.com is unique than how-to-make-money-with-affiliate-programs.com because search engine allow 1 to 2 dash ( - ) in the each domain. If your domain is more than 2 you cannot build more traffic and its difficult to rank in the search engine.
     
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  8. webmaster68

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    That's is absolute right, How many websites did you see first in Google with more than one dash? :(
     
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  9. bob25

    bob25 Well-Known Member

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    Okay without dashes then. I just thought maybe it would help the searchengines to distinguish the keywords I'm targeting, I guess not.

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    bob25, Dec 9, 2008 IP
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    #10
    but why to jump in valley when you know that you will die. Why not you are going for short domain which is good for both visitors and search engines.
     
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  11. bobchrist

    bobchrist Active Member

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    Does that make sense? I don't think this is good SEO strategy to have long keywords in domain name. :cool:
     
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    dairyman Notable Member

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    #12
    Let your domain be short, easy to remember but at the same time has important keywords; if you are still insisting on use of dashes, use no more than two.
     
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    professionalseo Banned

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    #13
    Dashes used to help more in the past than they do now. Google and the other SE's have improved thier ability to discern different words but there is still a slight advantage to using hyphens however I would not use more than two hyphens personally.
     
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  14. bob25

    bob25 Well-Known Member

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    That seems to be the choice, few hypens if any. Yeah I remember reading in the past something about hypens in domains, but that was many years ago and algorithms change.

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    bob25 Well-Known Member

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    #15
    People have been bum marketing for years now targeting long tail keywords. I'm just using an exact match as a longtail keyword as the url which helps when getting rankings. Like I said it's a specific keyword phrase that has amount of searches and almost no competition on Google. I'd rather target a phrase that's easy to rank for.

    Some people even target other searchengines rather than trying to go up against the big G where some competitive niches can be extremely difficult to rankings even with obscure keyword phrases.

    I don't expect visitors to remember or to bookmark it, it's just a one time visit, either they buy or the affiliate cookie is set and the merchant will follow up.

    Thanks

     
    bob25, Dec 10, 2008 IP
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    #16
    it doesnt really matter, google is clever enough to work out words without hyphenating everything
     
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    Well if you have a longggggrunnnnnonnnnn domain name, it is probably best to separate the words with dashes. I've heard from some sources that search engines view hyphens/dashes as a space (which is good to show word separation). Therefore, if you just use one big long jumbled up domain name it could be mistaken to be just One BIG Word.

    Also domain names are cheap, so I'd suggest getting a long one for seo purposes and register a shorter version to redirect to it (which will be good if you're marketing offline or elsewhere and want to give an easy to remember name to someone).
     
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    #18
    Keep the name short, but NOT too short, just 3 main keywords ;)
     
    webmaster68, Dec 16, 2008 IP