I have to make something clear. I have embarrassed myself! Yes, I admit it. I have embarrassed myself by trying to defend the UK. The UK needs no defending. Its history speaks for itself. Afterall, which country is great if not the UK?! How could I let ridiculous comments, submitted by ignoramuses, get to me?! In responding to such, I made it seem as if the comments bore credence and thus were worthy of argument. This is the same as engaging a child in petulant retorts! Oh, what a fool I am! My apologies to all Brits.
I'm an affiliate marketer. I have work to do. Sorry you confused my lack of participation over the past few days as you winning. You do realize you have to actually make an argument with facts to back it up to consider yourself the winner here don't you? Apparently not? How do you consider you jumping around from subject to subject because you can't make a solid point that I can't counter you making me cry? What world do you live in? Is this homebizseo? And judging by your inability to form a cohesive argument or accept when your argument has been defeated and you're being mocked, that was a ranking possibly not so well deserved. I went to Austin Peay and am a former commissioned officer in the United States Army son..... that is why I have repeated to you over and over again in this thread that I know what I'm talking about from experience and first hand knowledge. And I'll say it again, you do not. First of all... what is that, supposed to make me feel bad? HAHA did you think making me seem like a mean person would help you here? Newsflash chump, I'm an asshole. But to directly answer you: The answer is if it serves the interests of my nation and the benefits outweigh the consequences then yes by all means I'm glad we did what we did. Doesn't mean I am personally happy those people had to die. I said as much..... Apparently you don't possess the intellectual capacity to differentiate between being satisfied with an outcome and not being glad about every one of the consequences. No, I'm saying it because it's true..... and it apparently did hurt your feelings That's because you lack common sense. I hear you spouting what you hope will happen. But let me reiterate what has and IS happening. We are your daddy in every way. We are larger than you and more powerful than you economically, population wise, militarily, global influence, you name it. The only thing you can do is continue to HOPE for our downfall like you have been since we beat that ass and sent you back home. Yes for all intents and purposes you are a loser. So you keep hoping. We'll live in the real world. Because the irony is, the U.S. being your daddy and all, the only thing a weakened U.S. means to you is that you don't have a guardian to protect you. So on second thought you better start hoping otherwise No sorry, it's not desperate. I'm mocking you and you're crying about hurt feelings and low blows. ROFL. Yet you try to come back and claim you're making me cry BWAHHAHAHA. I'll say it again, your country is tiny, weak, and good for nothing more than to be used as a pawn which we consistently do. You keep on saying "if population size was considered" so let me address it directly... AGAIN. #1 WTF has that got to do with ANYTHING? Trying to inject population size into the argument is wishful thinking and desperate. Because when all is said and done population size will have nothing to do with keeping you from getting you ass kicked by a larger nation. What are you gonna do? Wave your fists in the air and scream "we'd beat you if it were about population size"! ROFL That's in essence the same thing you're doing here. There is no way you can win this argument. We are larger, better trained, better equipped, and better funded than you. That - IS - A - FACT. All you can say is "we'd beat you IF it were about population size". Sad fact for you: It's not.
I'm a dude. Then wtf are you saying in this thread? What's your argument? Simple question So let me get this straight... You get your asses kicked (oh yes, we did in fact engage in battles), THEN you say "eh it wasn't even a real war". I don't care whether you think it was a real war or not. You lost. An even better question: What would make the UK military stronger than Americas if it had the same population size? Do please answer that one. When you throw in some facts, I'll gladly shut up.
That you are. But don't beat yourself up about it. It's not your fault. It's the US Army . . . That's just the best they can produce. Now, stop losing wars. Stop killing innocent people. Get an education. Lose some weight. Abolish the death penalty. Establish a free health care system. Work on reducing crime. Take guns out of the hands of your police officers. Reduce racism. Learn about the environment. And stop inbreeding. And when you've done all of that and also managed to achieve nearly half as much as the UK, we can resume this argument. Otherwise, I will not be paying this thread another visit.
Oh, sorry, I forgot how good UK was- They got their asses kicked by one colony when they had a global empire (TWICE!!!). You were about to help the south in the civil war. You would not exist today if US had not saved you from germany (once again, TWICE!!!). The soviets would have nuked you to hell and back were you not part of NATO and under US protection. When we said we're going to Iraq, who followed? You did.
You're not going to answer my question huh Masterful? This thread is about the strongest military powers, and since you've been hammered in this thread while having zero facts about the military, you've now started using the typical British talk about America. We're "fat, lazy and uneducated". I've heard it all. But guess what chap? While all of you tea sippin limeys are on your piss wet island talking about how much of a puss America is, and how they're all dumb and fat, you Brits don't even cross our minds not one time. We're too busy with our lives to be jealous of another country or the people that live in it. sigh.. Life must suck when you're filled with jealous or hate ^_^ *chomps on big mac burger*
Ahh the classic subject change. We were talking about military strength and how your nation's military is pathetic, insignificant, and has no place in a discussion among "grown up countries". You cannot win that argument. Like I said you couldn't. Now.... you can try to use all the anti-America cliches you like. In fact we can start a whole new thread about it. The problem that you are not seeing here is that the more you put us down the more pathetic you make yourself look because you're our pawn Sorry, but "by population size" doesn't change the fact that you are an ant speaking to a giant. And back on subject..... the UK hasn't won a war on it's own in nearly two centuries. The last time the British empire won a war on their own they were on horseback HAHAHAHA You don't even know your own history buffoon. If you did you wouldn't be holding up who lost what wars as if your pathetic little country has anything to be proud of Geez are you retarded?
You gonna order me to do all that from across the Atlantic or did you want a taste of the 2nd Amendment before we preceded with the list?
Who do you think bailed you out more in WWII, the Yanks or the Soviets? I wish they'd overturn Roe vs. Wade, too. Got two degrees and lots of foreigners came to my schools so I reckon they must be good. Why? We already encourage criminals with long life on death row. No, thanks. What about free food, free housing, free university, free TV, free toilet paper, free cars, free air travel. Go back to mum and dad or the Soviet Union. We're committed to pockets of socialism so we have to accept the crime that comes with it. Brilliant. Should we give them funny little hats and sticks? Please check recent election results. Also, why do I see banners around your footie stadiums with "End Racism"? I voted for one of the candidates that had at least one black parent. I do believe more environmental science has come out of New England than the old one. This coming from a small group of island of inbreeders with a sprinkling of invaders?? What has the UK accomplished since they retreated from the colonies?
Most of the times its wikipedia. Its funny to see everytime US is scaring the world by bringing Soviet Union/Russia lol, yet the only country who used this sh*t is YOU, we didnt even use our latest weapons in conflict with Georgia, not saying about nukes
Ok, the US has the most superior Army, Air Force, and Navy, closely followed by UK. I am in the US army right now. I can tell you, I shoot every week, we train every week. We aren't like a lot of armies that are just there. India? Yeah right. Seriously? How many rounds a month does an Indian soldier shoot? The US has soldiers trained in all environments as well, or did you forget that the US has one of the most unique environment, ALL of them. You can't break up the military into different branches like that and try to compare them. They are all there to accomplish the same mission, just in a different way. They all work together. The US Air Force will gain Air Superiority over any other country in the world, in a matter of days, the EU is really the only countries (and only a few of them at that) that would be able to actually battle the US and have a chance, the UK is the biggest competitor in that area. Same with their Navy. The US has a higher percentage of their soldiers that have experienced combat than almost any other country. And by the way, there are very few members of the US Military that only joined for a better life/college money, hate to break it you you guys. I give the UK the credit for having the best SPECOPS in the world. Look at all the experts from around the world, and they will agree the US has the best military. Like I said, it is not a single branch of the military that is better than any other, it is the combined power that makes a difference. I guarantee the US could invade India and win, where as India would not be able to win an invasion against the US. However, we are kind of allies, so I don't see that happening anytime, just keep your nukes under control with Pakistan and everything should be ok. By the way, I train that much and I'm not even considered "Combat Arms" I am Combat Support (Military Police) but guess what? I've seen more combat in 2 tours in Iraq than most other militarys in the world, as most don't actually contribute fighting strength, just support. Hats off to the brits and their help though. (By the way, the invasion into Iraq was over how fast? Now it is just Iranian funded/backed terrorists that have to be dealt with)
OK. I think we should dispense with the insults. What I'm going to do is submit my arguments, back them up with a bit of evidence, then get back to Christmas. The material that I will use to back my arguments are just things which I grabbed off the web. I therefore cannot confirm their accuracy. Here are my arguments: The US Empire is nothing compared to past empires The US has learnt far, far more from the UK than the UK has learnt from the US Although the US is currently much more powerful than the UK, UK forces are generally better trained, more professional and more disciplined. In other words, you are the most powerful, but we are the best The US Empire is Nothing Compared to Previous Empires I don't have to try to prove this. It's obvious. Just check the stats on Wikipedia, if you must. The US has Learnt Far More from the UK To argue this point, I'll simply present a couple of quotes submitted by Americans on another, history-based, forum. Quote 1: "The influence of the British Military on both the American Armed Forces and those of other nations cannot be denied. 1. The British Navy was the first naval force to use long-range, stand-off gunnery against an opponent with similar technology during the Armada campaign in 1588 (the Portuguese used it first earlier in that century, but only against inferior Eastern naval forces; also, the Mediterranean galleys that used long-range gunnery throughout that period are what I would call a "special case" since that type of vessel could not be used for world domination). 2. During the 18th and early 19th century, the British Redcoat, firing his three rounds per minute, was the model that all other musket-armed infantry tried to emulate. 3. The British were the first to launch an iron-hulled, ironclad warship (HMS "Warrior") which was far superior to contemporary French designs. 4. The British were also the first to launch a seagoing ironclad with turrets mounted on the centerline with unobstructed arcs of fire (HMS "Devastation")--which became the model for all future pre-dreadnaught and dreadnaught battleships. 5. And of course, the British launched the first all-big-gun battleship, the HMS "Dreadnaught". 6. The British invented the tank. 'Nuff said. 7. The British were the innovators of the VTOL aircraft. 8. The British were the inventors of Chobham (sp) armor, which in turn led not only to the Challenger, but also to the M1 Abhrams, the Leopard II, etc. 9. The British used "anti-commando" forces during the Boer War, like the Bushveldt Carbineers--a precursor to later special forces groups. 10. The British Commandos of WWII were the first really modern unit of that type, and they taught our Rangers. There would be no modern special forces groups of any kind had it not been for the Brits. Even the Germans (under Otto Skorzeny) were heavily influenced by their methods. No doubt there are plenty of others that I have missed. Now don't get me wrong--the American Military is great, and has proved itself time and again (my father was in the Navy and my two uncles in the Army in WWII), but I think that there is a distinct tendency for Americans in particular to ride that high wave of supposed superiority, which is not always necessarily justified. We should be willing to give credit where credit is due. The British have always been tough--the tradition and heritage of their military is far older than ours. And the performance of the British Army during the Falklands War was most impressive." Quote 2: "Yeah I'm American and I would like to point out that our Special Forces modelled themselves after the British SAS. Our Delta Force's founder Col. Beckwith lobbied the US military almost 15 years to have Delta formed after he returned from a year long training with the SAS who's tactics and trainings he copied. I can't say who's better American or British troops in a even fight, I think that's it's pretty cocky and arrogant to suggest that anybody is better than another because unfortunately there are people in every country are pretty good at killing, but I will say our Special Forces are as good as they are now because they learned from the British model, and the SAS has a near flawless track record." Quote 3: "The American Military wouldn't even have what we know of as "special forces" had it not been for the original British Commandos of WWII, who taught our Rangers. The British were the originators of that kind of warfare in the modern sense. Even Otto Skorzeny had to resort to captured British manuals and whatnot, in order to get some ideas of what sort of curriculum to use to train his own men--the same men who rescued Mussolini, and caused so much mayhem during the Ardennes offensive. Don't Mess with the SAS..." I'm sure there are plenty of other instances where US forces have followed British innovations - especially in your early years - but I can't be bothered to look. As to the US training the UK, I was unable to find such an instance. What I did find were these: http://ukinusa.fco.gov.uk/en/defence/british-army-staff/training http://www.virtualworldsnews.com/2008/08/uk-and-us-armie.html http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2007/09/mil-070905-nns03.htm http://www.tradoc.army.mil/pao/TNSarchives/April06/042106-1.html All speak of joint operations, "designed so that soldiers of both nations develop." If you follow the last link, you'll see how Americans sit in a class and take lessons from British soldiers. Uk Troops are Better Trained and More Professional Here, I'll just present a few bullets. All British Army troops receive 26 weeks of basic training, while their American counterparts receive 9 to 14 weeks of basic training. Along with being a standard soldier, every British soldier has a specialised skill (e.g., engineering, medicine, logistics, etc.). In the US Army, many soldiers are just grunts. The US Army pretty much admit any old fool, regardless of education, class, etc. This is why there are so many inbreds and retards fighting under the American flag. The British are more picky with admissions. The number of modern war crimes committed by American soldiers by far outnumbers the number committed by British soldiers. Friendly fire between both sides in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan has resulted in the deaths of at least 6 British soldiers and 0 American soldiers. American soldiers are now even receiving anti-fratricide training! The number of confirmed Iraqi civilians accidentally killed by Americans is huge compared to the number killed by the British. The ratio of kills to deaths is markedly higher in the British Army. The populations of Afghanistan and Iraq have far less resentment towards the occupying British forces because their training pays much more emphasis on diplomacy. Apparently, American soldiers are disliked for prancing around with arrogance, wearing sunglasses, and thinking that they're in a Hollywood movie. Plus, We Kick Your Butts Every Year! If you still don't accept our being better trained, I bring to your attention the prestigious Sandhurst Military Skills Competition, held every year at the United States Military Academy West Point, New York. The Brits have come to your own land and beat your butts every year since 1994 (except three years in a row in which Canada kicked both of our butts)! This year, we came both first and second (victory picture)! As if that wasn't embarrassing enough, the US always send many more teams than anyone else - usually over 30, compared to just 2 from the Uk, 1 from Canada, and some from other countries! GeorgeB, now, there's a real reason for you to hide under your bed in shame! The British are coming! Anyway . . . Keeping all of the above in mind, I will conclude that the US, in terms of equipment, funding and size, are currently easily the most powerful nation on the planet. However, the Brits (and possibly even the French, Canadians, Australians, Germans and Israelis) produce better-trained and more professional warriors, which, one-on-one, could deliver much more damage. Merry Christmas!
lol you guys were around before us Of course we are going to learn things from you, we take a lot of our military customs and curtosys and traditions from you guys, as well as doctrine. Especially when it comes to SPECOPS (SAS are nuts, but they are GREAT at what they do, they also have the most real world combat experience compared to the rest of the world in the SPECOPS relm). In the US Military (I'm not sure how it is in the UK's military) Basic Training is just that, BASIC training. You go to your unit, and that is where you get all your training. We don't have mostly grunts either. And you do not even go there with the French producing better trained. Although.....maybe better trained AT RUNNING!!!!! LMAO! We beat you in the war of independence so And its not our fault our guys can shoot better than yours, otherwise you would have caught a couple of us. Of course our numbers of collateral damage is going to be bigger than y'alls We have more people and run more operations than you do. (in Iraq, you guys have about the same as us in Afghan I think) And theres a reason you guys only send one or two teams (you put all your pennies in one bank) Oh, and those cool sunglasses we wear, that ballistic glasses, we HAVE to wear them by order of CENTCOM commander, no choice in the matter. And you guys have to do all that cross training because you have less people. All of our guys are Combat Life Savers (just under a medic) By the way smart one, most people in the US military are not inbred or retarded. And those 9-14 weeks are basic combat training, doesn't include your job trainnig. I was in school for 5 months. And with your ratio of kills to deaths, our op tempo is also higher. Where the brits are concentrated at in Iraq (the south) is quite a calm place compared to Baghdad and Anbar Province. We have a Sunni Triangle to deal with.