Iran and there Jewish population.. 20k - 40k of them alive, in Iran...

[imad]

Originally Posted by earlpearl

The Jewish population that lives in Iran has become the center of a media parade....that is a joke and now treats them like freaks in a circus. That was certainly never their intent.

Throughout the world, in so many nations there have been significant jewish remainder populations that never wanted to leave their countries to populate Israel or move to the US for greater freedoms. Even as vast majority populations of Jews left those nations there has always been a remainder population.

Some people hate the idea of moving. Its human nature.

From about 1948 through 1979 the majority of Iranian Jews migrated from Iran to either the US or Israel. Not surprising. That is the fact with most nations wherein Jews lived and were treated as 2nd class citizens.

I have met quite a number of the jews from Iran who migrated and now live in the US. The migrations were caused by miserable conditions and worsening treatment. Today, with special and careful work some of these now American/Iranian Jews are allowed to travel back to Iran to visit relatives and friends but they must jump through hoops to do so.

Those that remain in any land do so of their own free will and reluctance of leaving their native lands and that of their parents and grandparents.

That Iranian authorities are now featuring them in the news is a crass effort at publicizing and politicizing their treatment of these people.

Check again. See how free these Jews are to travel outside of Iran, move to the US or Israel.

The restrictions are immense and the likelyhood of them leaving or being allowed to travel is incredibly small.

They are 2nd class citizens with limited rights. They are caught in a political game wherein Ahminidinijad, shows them off BUT restricts their rights as free citizens.

And frankly, they are the examples of folks who tend to never leave.

But now they are like show pieces in a freak show.

If they were granted full rights as other Iranian citizens it would be something else...but they are 2nd hand citizens caught in a publicity game and glare that they would rather not have shone on them.

Find some other publicity stunt.

umm, I guess you did not know that not all Jews who appear in these pictures, are Iranians, the second one, are from America, the first one, are from Israel (Neturei Karta Jews)

If as you said Iranians want to make a media show, then AhmadiNejad would go visit the Jews in his country and take pictures.

What is abnormal is media being absent in such meetings, unlike what you try to imply that these pictures are something not normal to be shown in media, what is not normal also is Israel and Zionism trying to ridicule those Jews, not only the Jews of Iran but also the Jews of Morocco, and others, as if only Jews are only in Israel and USA, the reason is very clear, it contradicts with Zionist propaganda that been caught many times since they started with the slogan "a land without people for a people without land" which claims that Palestine, is the homeland for Jews,

Jews in many countries have declared that Israel is effecting them negatively with such propaganda because people in these country would think that all Jews are supporting Zionism, this is why those peaceful Jews are resisting Israel and Zionism tries in ridiculing them, and "hide" them, and want to appear on media to speak their opinion about Israel loudly.

[swaymedia]

The Iranian People as Well as Ahmadinijad treat there Jews way better than BUSH treats his Muslim & CHRISTIAN population.

You are nothing but a twisted liar (@earlperl), you make things up just to win an argument for the sake of your sick agenda.

How often do you see Bush meet muslims, Yet He goes and wears a skull cap and calls the Jews "the chosen people" the other day when he met with the Zionists in Israel.







WHILST ISRAEL IS DOING THIS WITH AMERICA'S TAX MONEY:-


THAT MY FRIENDS IS HOW THE DOLLAR GETS WEAKER AND THE OIL GETS HIGHER

[Powerweb]

Originally Posted by swaymedia

IRAN HAS 20,000 to 40,000 JEWS, ... why hasnt Iran done a holocaust type killin spree on them, if Ahmadinijad is the new hitler, as the biased zionist manipulating media likes to state?

Educational FACTUAL links, do not listen to your ZIONIST-JEWISH biased media says!! :-

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews
- http://www.haruth.com/JewsIran.html

The Iranian president never denied the Holocaust, he was just questioning it, as in FREEDOM of SPEECH, which is so PRAISED in our countries, but not when it comes to (ZIONISM) Judaism.

THE DUMBNESS OF BUSH, CAN ONLY EQUATE THE DUMBNESS OF STARTING ANOTHER FALSE WAR, STRAIGHT AFTER UNJUST IRAQ..

Do you guys ever believe Ahmadinijad would murder his Jewish population, the ones on the photos?

so ? and israel got 1,433,100mil Palestinians living inside of it with equal rights, abusing them not paying Taxes not going to the army they got Ministers that keep trying to destroy Israel and spy for foreign Muslim countries and each Palestinian family bring 20 children to the world stealing the Social Insurance money, many suicide bombers came from inside of Israel (like the last terrorist that killed students in the "Yeshivat ah Rav")..

While Palestinians enjoy equal rights in Israel, the Jews in Iran live in fear, Do I have proof ? What exactly happens to Homosexuals in Iran? they get executed! the Fate is not different to a Jew that won't obey the Government.

Keep spreading Islamic Propaganda until Islam will come knocking on your door and we will all suffer from the disaster people like you brought to the world, good luck my friend.

[Powerweb]

Originally Posted by swaymedia

The Iranian People as Well as Ahmadinijad treat there Jews way better than BUSH treats his Muslim & CHRISTIAN population.

You are nothing but a twisted liar (@earlperl), you make things up just to win an argument for the sake of your sick agenda.

How often do you see Bush meet muslims, Yet He goes and wears a skull cap and calls the Jews "the chosen people" the other day when he met with the Zionists in Israel.







WHILST ISRAEL IS DOING THIS WITH AMERICA'S TAX MONEY:-


THAT MY FRIENDS IS HOW THE DOLLAR GETS WEAKER AND THE OIL GETS HIGHER

again with your false propaganda, Israel will never target Civilians it's Hamas that hide behind children and Palestinian civilians, it's Hamas that keep targeting Israeli Civilians and they're not even denying it - Can you prove that Israel will keep bombing Gaza if Hamas just stop shooting Qasam Missiles on innocent civilians? I really hope that people won't really believe to your false Propaganda.

[imad]

Originally Posted by Powerweb

so ? and israel got 1,433,100mil Palestinians living inside of it with equal rights, abusing them not paying Taxes not going to the army they got Ministers that keep trying to destroy Israel and spy for foreign Muslim countries and each Palestinian family bring 20 children to the world stealing the Social Insurance money, many suicide bombers came from inside of Israel (like the last terrorist that killed students in the "Yeshivat ah Rav")..

While Palestinians enjoy equal rights in Israel, the Jews in Iran live in fear, Do I have proof ? What exactly happens to Homosexuals in Iran? they get executed! the Fate is not different to a Jew that won't obey the Government.

Keep spreading Islamic Propaganda until Islam will come knocking on your door and we will all suffer from the disaster people like you brought to the world, good luck my friend.

without going much off the topic and change it to Homosexual rights in Iran, I think Homosexuality for both Jews and non-Jews is not allowed there, in which way this make Jews not having equal rights there? I do not think Jews in Iran are demanding to have Homosexuals rights.

answering your so.. so it is not true as been said that AhmadiNejad is a new Hitler who wants to kill all Jews.

[swaymedia]

Originally Posted by Powerweb

so ? and israel got 1,433,100mil Palestinians living inside of it with equal rights

Oh right the Palestinians have the same equal rights the Jews in Iran have, do they? (rhetorical btw)

The Palestinian children and people are dieing everyday, whilst there are Jews in Iran who own businesses and are even Jews in Parlement.

HOW MUCH PALESTINIANS ARE IN THE ISREALI PARLIMENT.

YOUR ARE A RACIST TWISTED LIER, YOUR AN ANTI-SEMETIC AGAINST PALESTINIANS AND AN OUTRIGHT LIER. ANYTHING YOU SAY IS TWISTED TO FALSIFY YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY.

[imad]

Originally Posted by swaymedia

Oh right the Palestinians have the same equal rights the Jews in Iran have, do they? (rhetorical btw)

without a doubt Israel is the land of contradictions, on one hand, they claim they are the oasis of democracy and freedom in a desert of dictatorship, when democracy does make helpless people live in open prisons, and free people does not demolish helpless people homes and steal their lands,

they claim they are a normal state at the same time they demand special treatment and ask for world's sympathy, they claim they are strong but at the same time they are so vulnerable, they are always want to look as a hero, but they themselves always cry we are the victim,

they claim they are not a religious state, but at the same time, use religious claims to justify their aggressions,

such contradictions, does not make Israel normal, but it shows how much different and far is Israel from being a normal state, this is of course, a result of the abnormal start they had, where they expelled people from their historical land, and committed terrorism, and massacres, to achieve their goals in stealing others people land and claim it for themselves.

[Powerweb]

Stealing land ? excuse me, but it was the Muslim countries that attacked Israel after the UN decision, you really believe that Israel would exist if the Muslim countries won ? Now after you lost you come and ask for your lands back ? Sorry this has nothing to do with what happened 2000 Years ago on this land.

Now let me tell you something you didn't understand already, if a new war will start between Syria,Iran,Lebanon,Gaza against Israel.. (you really believe that Israel lost the War in Lebanon ?) let me tell you something, the people here are really tired with the peace talks already, in the next war you will see Israel in Beirut and Lebanon,Gaza will be completely destroyed if Iran will launch hundreds of missiles from there territory they will get a few hundred nuclear bombs back the entire Persian "Empire" will turn to ashes - You will never be able to win Israel by force just remember that.

[imad]

Originally Posted by Powerweb

Stealing land ? excuse me, but it was the Muslim countries that attacked Israel after the UN decision, you really believe that Israel would exist if the Muslim countries won ? Now after you lost you come and ask for your lands back ? Sorry this has nothing to do with what happened 2000 Years ago on this land.

Now let me tell you something you didn't understand already, if a new war will start between Syria,Iran,Lebanon,Gaza against Israel.. (you really believe that Israel lost the War in Lebanon ?) let me tell you something, the people here are really tired with the peace talks already, in the next war you will see Israel in Beirut and Lebanon,Gaza will be completely destroyed if Iran will launch hundreds of missiles from there territory they will get a few hundred nuclear bombs back the entire Persian "Empire" will turn to ashes - You will never be able to win Israel by force just remember that.

Yes stealing land, what was not clear in this? how can Muslims countries attack Israel if it did not exist before 1948? its the Israeli terrorists gangs, who attacked Palestine, to establish the so-called Israel on stolen lands, check the dictionary for the word "steal" see in which way its different than what those gangsters did.

edit: here it is for you

1. to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right, esp. secretly or by force: A pickpocket stole his watch.

[pingpong123]

I had a few iranian friends in high school that i hung out with throughout college and one of them was jewish iranian. Very nice guy and his other iranian friends treated him like one of the gang. They were so close that i never seen them get into an argument. heck of of the friends played soccer with me for a few years.

Originally Posted by browntwn

What do you want me to post?

Do you think that Iran treats Jews like they treat Muslims?
Do you think Iran is a treats women and religious minorities equal to all other citizens?


I really could not care less about what swaymedia posts here, as the purpose is clear. You then stupidly ask why I don't help bump and support his threads? Don't play dumb.

As for the OP:

1. The leader of Iran can think or say whatever he wants about the holocaust. It reflects on him. I have said many times that I do not support laws that limit people's right to free speech. I don't live in those countries so there is little I can do about the issue.

2. Any citizen in Iran has a right to live there. The fact that some may decline to leave the country of their birth does not imply anything about the quality of life in Iran. Is there some reason Iranian Jews should leave Iran? So many already have fled because of the horrid conditions. We have real Iranians who have fled who tell us about the conditions and yet we are supposed to buy an implication that because not every Jew was driven from Iran that things must be great?

3. The post ends with a non sequiter about the dumbness of Bush and murdering Jews. Does that really require a response?

[browntwn]

Originally Posted by pingpong123

I had a few iranian friends in high school that i hung out with throughout college and one of them was jewish iranian. Very nice guy and his other iranian friends treated him like one of the gang. They were so close that i never seen them get into an argument. heck of of the friends played soccer with me for a few years.

I have numerous Iranian friends, business associates, etc. I grew up with many Iranians as well. I am not sure what point you are making. I don't think Iranian people are bad. I think the Iranian government is bad. I think they mistreat their own citizens, all of them, not just the jews. I think Iran treats women horribly and I think the restrictions on many freedoms is unfortunate.

[ThraXed]

But of course, Iran is extremely liberal compared to your countries 2nd best friend, Saudi Arabia, but we never hear a bad word from you about them.

[browntwn]

Originally Posted by ThraXed

But of course, Iran is extremely liberal compared to your countries 2nd best friend, Saudi Arabia, but we never hear a bad word from you about them.

Then you are not paying attention. I oppose my countries support of SA. I have posted to that effect many times on this forum. If you search you will not find any support from me for SA.

[ThraXed]

Good to hear, so you agree it is very hypocritical for the USA to support SA?

Iran does have alot of social problems, i think you are aware of that as i am. But do you really think he called for Israel to be wiped off the map? I'm sure many people have told you it is a wrong translation, what is your stance on that? Farsi/Persian language professors all over the world have agreed that was not what he said.

[pizzaman]

Originally Posted by browntwn

I have numerous Iranian friends, business associates, etc. I grew up with many Iranians as well. I am not sure what point you are making. I don't think Iranian people are bad. I think the Iranian government is bad. I think they mistreat their own citizens, all of them, not just the jews. I think Iran treats women horribly and I think the restrictions on many freedoms is unfortunate.

lets make sure we don't have another chalabi[i think that was his name]
most of these self-exiled iranians were shah's friends and would love to get back their position of power. any way if iranians don't like their govt then they must have a reveolution. why should we get involved.

[imad]

Originally Posted by pizzaman

lets make sure we don't have another chalabi[i think that was his name]
most of these self-exiled iranians were shah's friends and would love to get back their position of power. any way if iranians don't like their govt then they must have a reveolution. why should we get involved.

you had it right his name was Ahmed Chalabi, a thief, who been wanted and still wanted in Jordan, for stealing Petra bank.

edited to add his picture:

[swaymedia]

Originally Posted by imad

you had it right his name was Ahmed Chalabi, a thief, who been wanted and still wanted in Jordan, for stealing Petra bank.

edited to add his picture:

that is a well known fact outside america ^^

even a us commander once said there that America has the cheesiest propaganda in the world. Its so cheesy that its purposly cheesy to insult the victims.

[Ohad]

in Israel there is 1.5 million Muslims with equal rights. so?
I never said that Iran want to destroy all Jews, don't lie and push words into my mouth. I said what Ahmadinajad himself said "IRAN WANTS TO DESTROY ISRAEL". and instead of you, i wouldn't bring pictures from holocaust deniers occasion. i wouldn't bring those pictures of Jews as example too, because Iran find with them common language. they both wants to destroy Israel.

[imad]

Originally Posted by Ohad

in Israel there is 1.5 million Muslims with equal rights. so?
I never said that Iran want to destroy all Jews, don't lie and push words into my mouth. I said what Ahmadinajad himself said "IRAN WANTS TO DESTROY ISRAEL". and instead of you, i wouldn't bring pictures from holocaust deniers occasion. i wouldn't bring those pictures of Jews as example too, because Iran find with them common language. they both wants to destroy Israel.

not sure about how much accurate is the number, but if it was true 1.5 million then these are Arabs, and you know not all Arabs are Muslims, right?

Arabs in Israel, are in continuous struggle to have equal rights as some Israeli sites suggest, they do have rights there that are sometimes much better than in some Arab states, but that does not mean they should agree on Israeli policy, we have seen how they demonstrated against the Israeli brutality and state terrorism in the occupied territories, and we have seen how Israel dealt with their demonstration, killing 13 of them, they still raise Palestinian flags from time to time, and this considered a crime by Israel.

major right they have been forced to give up long ago which is their right to self determination, which the other Arabs in the territories are struggling to have, "give up the land and identity, I will give you the water" is not a good equation in my opinion.

[Ohad]

Originally Posted by imad

not sure about how much accurate is the number, but if it was true 1.5 million then these are Arabs, and you know not all Arabs are Muslims, right?

Arabs in Israel, are in continuous struggle to have equal rights as some Israeli sites suggest, they do have rights there that are sometimes much better than in some Arab states, but that does not mean they should agree on Israeli policy, we have seen how they demonstrated against the Israeli brutality and state terrorism in the occupied territories, and we have seen how Israel dealt with their demonstration, killing 13 of them, they still raise Palestinian flags from time to time, and this considered a crime by Israel.

major right they have been forced to give up long ago which is their right to self determination, which the other Arabs in the territories are struggling to have, "give up the land and identity, I will give you the water" is not a good equation in my opinion.

not just they have equal rights, a lot of them aren't paying taxes, and all of them don't have to serve in IDF. yes I know that not all of them are Muslims, I confused. anyway, most of them are Muslims.

about "Palestine" flags - they raise it any time they want to. if you ask me - it's a crime. if you ask the law - it's not. why it's crime in my eyes? they are getting so much from the country and giving nothing, and after that raising enemy flags. if someone will raise Israel flag in Ramallah, Gaza, Jenin... you know what will happen to him.