I thought i had to make this thread as i have decided to come back to digitalpoint to purchase some domains for my portfolio but in the 2 purchases that i have made one has lied and the other has taken my money without pushing the item i purchased. This really does not give me any faith in digitalpoint at all, it seems the whole marketplace is full of scammers, which does not give it a good name. Firstly i offered $$ for a domain and the seller ( http://forums.digitalpoint.com/member.php?u=65690 ) accepted my offer after sending payment he did not accept it and 2 days later sends me a message saying he has sold to someone else as he received a better offer. Secondly i purchased another name 2 days ago from the seller ( http://forums.digitalpoint.com/member.php?u=118788 ) after sending payment i messages him asking for the name to be pushed, the response was ill send it tomorrow as i cannot do so now. From then on it has been lies about pushing the name and now it has come to i will send you a refund in 2 days. In 2 experiences of purchasing domains on this forum both have turned out to be bad, shouldnt digitalpoint really look into this manner and introduce a system where this doesnt happen? Why does it allow people to simply sign up and be allowed to sell a domain that in most cases they do not own. Why not have a minimum post count or itrader feedback before they can do so. Or charge a fee to post a for sale thread. I beleive this will cut down the amount of scammers and liars coming to this forum primarily to take money from others. And what annoys me the most is there are no consequences, a member can scam another member and then move onto scam 20 others, they do not receive a ban or have any restrictions placed on them. One can scam another and on this forum it seems no one cares. I think this forum deffinetly needs to do something about these people before the market place isnt worth looking at due to the high odds that its just a scam.
You can see if someone owns a domain because they will either post content at your request on the site or they will have their whois information removed and you can see that there is a match between the information you are given and the information on the whois record. For high value trades it's recommended you use escrow and it's up to you to decide when a trade is "high value". None of this excuses people who reneg on deals. It's pathetic and, as in the "real world", there are consequences. You know who you dealt with, and they have stolen from you. Go to the police and talk to your lawyer.
The two members you mentioned had 2 and 0 itraders. Stick to dealing with proven members. Scan their profile. PM their previous traders.
It's called "due diligence" and we do it the real world without thinking. If the shop looks shabby, we think twice about going in. If the plumber has been recommended we feel more confident. We only leave keys for tradesmen we trust and have used before. We mortgage our homes with the big banks and not with the loan sharks.
Great explanations there, sarahk. Should answer all doubts To the topic starter, liars and scammers are everwyhere - and they are worse in real life. Stop, look and listen. You are liable for all the things that happen to you.
Sorry to hear about this, and it is never nice getting scammed, but to say all people at DigitalPoint are either scammers or liars is obsurd (your title is a little misleading that's all). All I can suggest is that you take more precautions in the future and that you pay 50% and then pay the other 50% after you have recieved the items. Hey it isn't always people on your end either, some people push the domains, and then the buyer dissapears never to be heard of again, but then again it is the Internet and there are advantages and disadvantages, one disadvantage being that you can't (or the majority of the time) trust the person you are dealing with. I suggest you prioritise your purchases, for example with orders over $20 you pay 50% and 50% later, although some people are a little uneasy about this as they incur more PayPal charges. But I would say the best suggestion by far is that you should only ever deal with reputable members in future, it's not likely that a member with 20+ iTrader and 1,500 posts is going to quickly to run off with your small change or for the sake of a domain, in comparison to a member with 100 posts and no iTrader. Even myself would be a precaution to some people I currently don't have any iTrader and have less than 500 posts, I would hope people trust me, but you can never trust someone without a good reputation too well if you get what I am saying.
Do not deal with guys who has a young account.By the way,two dper you have mentioned do not stand for the whole digitalpoint.There are many nice guys here.
I understand that i should take precautions but being a trusting person i find it hard to judge someone before dealing with them, as i have made many transactions with new members that went well, where as others would not have dealt with them. I am not saying all members here are liars and scammers a majority are great people who are trustworthy and very helpfull. Although it is the minority that bring down this forum. I would just like to see a new market place system like i mentioned in my first post '' Why not have a minimum post count or itrader feedback before they can do so. Or charge a fee to post a for sale thread. ''
Trust me when I say this - Do NOT trust anyone on the Internet, not until you know they are safe. Of course people have to be trusted for a 1st time sale otherwise people couldn't build a good iTrader, but when dealing with someone new, meet them half way like I said with a 50/50 deal, or even asking them to push the products to you first.
As with everyhing in life if there are no consequences for bad actions, how will people learn what is right.
It looks like i jsut had a transaction go with with one of the guys you had a bad experience. 'hedofan' was selling a domain I was interested in. I sent payment, which he received, but he never pushed the domain. I've opened a dispute with paypal, and I'm hoping that once I escalate it, they will review it, and refund the payment. However, I've heard that getting funds back can be an issue with non-tangible goods.
iTrader doesn't mean a certificate for good morality, there are high iTrader profiles that get banned when deciding they are at the level where it would be easy for them to fool people with high money envolved and high iTrade as a trust factor. It's best to consider bank transfer or Western Union if you want to be certain in money getting to you first, as well phone contact with the seller/buyer. You can lose money because some stranger you know hardly anything about had 'iTrader' and you sent (threw) away money over the internet. With all respect to DP, iTrader is something easy to manipulate with and people lose money because of it. iTrader is not one's Bank account history where Bank has that person's name on file, copy of his/her ID, etc, iTrader is an indicator that is in most cases right, in some a manipulation cover.
Morgan, I guess that i didn´t act in bad faith with you: i am not a liar and NEVER could be a scammer (btw i have been scammed two times as a buyer). Like i explained to you via PM it was just a confusion and it was not: "Hey...This guy aceppted a $90 offer from me and then as he received a $120 offer he sold it for $120": it was JUST A CONFUSION: we closed a deal trough PM, i forgot to close the thread and then another guy posted SOLD in the thread. BUT like i sayed to you (this verifies that i didn´t act in convenience thinking on the $30 more that they other guy offered to me) i WILL SEND YOU A PayPal PAYMENT OF $30 (the resultant of the difference between the $90 that i accepted from you and the $120 that i received from the final buyer). Like i said...I am a trustable person, i act in good faith and it was JUST a confusion: come on man...You can´t compare me/this situation with your situation with the scamer that took your money....I feel really angry about this: one thing is one thing and another thing is another thing....You can put all in the same bag. Think about it: i am a good and trustable person that have seen hisself involved in a complex situation (and i hated to defraud you as a buyer). Tomorrow i will send you the PayPal payment of $30: please PM me with your PayPal mail. Thanks and sorry again, Alexis.
It is called doing your research. That is not the job of DP staff, it is your job to know who you are dealing with. I just looked at the other guy you dealt with, hedofan. He had one iTrader from a small deal. His post are almost all "pm me pls" or "can I have a review". He has no posts of any value. This is a clear sign of someone looking to just build his post count to look like he is an active member. He has been here only a few months and has only one bar of rep. Did you check rather he was the owner of the domain as Sarah has suggested? How did you pay him? You have to be smart with dealing with anyone and if you fail to do your homework first, it is your fault not DP or any other site you use.