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Old Mar 26th 2006, 8:48 pm
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The advantage of "ugly" over "pretty"

After reading the thread about Markus's ultra-successful free dating site, I had an idea about what makes an "ugly" (or "anti-marketing" as he calls it) design successful. I don't quite believe him that ugliness is the key, nor do I agree with those who think it's unrelated.

(First, a disclaimer: I understand success ultimately comes down to what content/service you provide. This post tries to address the question: "Given the exact same content, what kind of visual appearance works best?")

Here's why I think ugly sites do better than expected:

It's too easy to set up a "pretty" site. Just download one of the thousands of free forum scripts, CMSes, etc, and pick from the thousands of themes available, and you're all set. Many of them have very pretty layouts with nice subtle touches of borders, bevels, gradients, rounded edges, yadda yadda yadda.

The result is that there are lots of these cookie-cutter pretty sites on the web with little to no content. Somebody puts WhateverNuke on autopilot, adds a few crappy articles, throws on some ads, and forgets about it. The menu is packed with links to feature-rich, well-designed sections with "No widgets have been added yet" where the content's supposed to be. The web is cluttered with pretty, hollow skeletons of websites.

I think maybe web users are becoming conditoned to associate stylish designs with these hollow skeletons. And if that's true, one way to a successful design may be to create a home-made feel. It isn't that they're ugly that helps; it's that they look like somebody took some time to personally build them from scratch, and that means it's likely they put a similar amount of care into the content. A custom site has something worth saying.

Remember what Treebeard says in The Two Towers?

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We never say anything ... unless it is worth taking a long time to say.
Building websites from scratch takes a long time. It's boring. It's inefficient. It's the kind of tedium only undertaken by people who care about what they're doing. And that extra work is a kind of "quality assurance" for the reader, which probably increases their likelihood to explore or bookmark the site and their trust in its ads.

I think usability, fast load times, and a reasonably pleasing design are of paramount importance. But perhaps those things are much more powerful coupled with a trustworthy home-made feel.

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Old Mar 26th 2006, 9:37 pm
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I really think it's about creating a site that serves a purpose. If you have that, then people don't care about the design. For example, Google. People come to Google to search and Google makes it easy for you to do so. Same as that dating site. People are there first and foremost to meet people. Make it easy for people to do so and they won't care if it's pretty or not.

I think you can provide a service people want and make it look nice at the same time... but make a pretty Web site that nobody wants to visit and it will never succeed.
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Old Mar 26th 2006, 9:46 pm
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I think when he refers to "ugly" he simply means un-sophisticated design. The color is still important, the font is still important, the placement is still important, but who cares about drop shadows?
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Old Mar 26th 2006, 10:13 pm
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All nice and well, but I think it was pretty well documented in the other thread that the webmaster didn't get rich overnight, that he spent thousands on advertising, etc. So........ Ugly site, pretty site -- don't mean squat as long as you got money to promote, apparently.
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Old Mar 26th 2006, 11:39 pm
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Is his theory that an ugly site makes people want to click away immediately, so they click on his ads to leave?

That might have some validity, but it might also make people click the "back" button, too.


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Old Mar 27th 2006, 12:34 am
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i believe the key is to make a site that looks good enough to be trusted but not good enough to show you are making lots of money.
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Old Mar 27th 2006, 3:28 am
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Tend to agree with you there...
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Old Mar 27th 2006, 4:35 am
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My site is home-made and not at all sophisticated. I tried using a posh design once on the home page to see what it would look like. It didn't feel right. It didn't feel like my site any more and it had lost its individuality. I think you should go with what feels best for you and what is appropriate to the content of the site. Having said that I'm not making a lot of money yet but the earnings are increasing steadily.
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Old Mar 27th 2006, 5:41 am
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There's been a lot made of this site and a lot of articles written, but it seems to me that the 'ugliness' or 'prettiness' debate is a bit of a red herring. Your design needs to appeal to your target market and, um, that's it, really. If you have a clothing site aimed at socialites/trust fund girls then the design is going to be very different from a clothing site that is selling wholesale, even if they have exactly the same products.
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Old Mar 27th 2006, 6:09 am
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I've had ugly sites and I've had pretty sites.

What wins is this: the one with the most content delivered in the right way for the visitor, the fastest download time, the one that best solves the visitors problems and the one that conveys a sense of trust.

It's not about the design - it's about the content.

My most successful site ever cost me 20 cents (I got 100 ugly templates for $20 - and that was too expensive for these truly horrible designs!).

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I've had ugly sites and I've had pretty sites.

What wins is this: the one with the most content delivered in the right way for the visitor, the fastest download time, the one that best solves the visitors problems and the one that conveys a sense of trust.

It's not about the design - it's about the content.

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I'm going to have to lean in this direction myself. While a site may look like garbage, it's about their content and advertising to determine their popularity.
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The only reason why Markus is so successful with Plentyoffish is to do with the site's subject matter and has nothing to do with the way site is designed.
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Old Mar 27th 2006, 2:54 pm
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obviously it's the combination that worked here. What works for some won't work for others etc. As luck would have it, he just happened to have the right combination.
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IMO, the two (2) most important factors are "Content" and "Promotion". If you have what they want and they know you have it then you're off to the races.
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A thought occured to me that unsophisticated sites might help with user in sites that require user participation. If a site is too nice people might be a little inhibitated and feel shy about participating. In any case where the user might have a lack of self-confidence either because of technical inexperience, or posting a picture of themselves and saying "Im desperate date me" an unspohisticated site might help. IMEO
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Old Mar 28th 2006, 1:36 am
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He has done alot of promoting on his wesbite, so its not the fact that it is ugly that it is successful
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Old Mar 28th 2006, 6:51 am
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I can understand the idea being presented of the average web user growing tired of templates with no content. Though I think it maybe more loose than suggested.
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None of this quite addresses the question I was hoping to discuss. I know that content and promotion are more important than design (unless the design is absolutely terrible). But we don't have to choose between them.

We do have to make a choice about how our websites should look. They will hold the same content and be promoted in the same way regardless of visual appearance. So, with the same content and same promotion, do you think a website would do better with a pretty, professional look, or a slightly ugly home-made look?
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So, with the same content and same promotion, do you think a website would do better with a pretty, professional look, or a slightly ugly home-made look?
Excellent question. My answer would be "professional".
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