Yeah! We just need to wait till 'prices bubble' inflates and then could be start to selling premium LLLL.net's. Be careful, bubble won't only inflate, it'll explode someday, so good luck catching correct time.
Well, as a domain investor.... always safe than sorry. I hold nice CCC.nets, nice LLLL.coms, and started with LLLL.net about 2 months ago and managed to pick up some REALLY nice ones. Mind you I was buying while everyone was saying they are worthless, but I'm sure I was picking up decent domains. Spent $50 for one LLLL.net and got offers for $250 within two days. Didn't see, but damn good returns. People say there's no market for them, but they are so wrong. I spent 6+ hours one night looking @ LLLL.coms back in September 2006. Those who are early usually get rewarded. I remember when people were talking smack about them back then It's just part of the industry. You snooze, you lose! *And the buying continues... I'm curiously watching using scanners. This is more interesting than the preliminary results!
Thats good news. So whats the reseller price for LLLL.nets now? I am sure the premium letters will get good returns.
So far there is no indication price wise. Although a couple of llll.nets sold for $70 @ sedo but that was before all were picked up.
It's all in the air. You aren't going to get rich from holding 10,000 LLLL.nets--yet. I say you might make 2X reg fee if someone wants your domain right now. It does have rarity value, however. The *decent* LLLL.nets are currently being backordered, which amazes me. A couple months ago you could pick up a decent LLLL.net drop for $5.75. Premiums are ALWAYS the first to go. I predict people who have decent LLLL.coms, whether low quality letters or not, will start going out and buying their LLLL.net counterparts... of course if they are available. That will be the initial stages of the "lower quality" letter buy outs. They have access to stats of the .coms, so if they are worth it, adding the .net might raise the value if/when a complete buyout occurs. It's just to protect the investment since .net is also known worldwide. Once there are a couple thousand, a few investors will come in and buy by the hundreds and that would be the end of LLLL.net. The only thing now is WHEN? I would've NEVER guessed it to be this early. Summer for the premiums, but not February! I'm guessing by Summer LLLL.net might be all gone. Of course what will fuel prices even more is development from people who want to get returns on their LLLL investments. I'm going to be running some scans this weekend and probably buy some more that have good Google results/trends/etc. 12:30AM. Hope my sentences were coherent, LOL.
Ah! Another naysayer in our midst. There were dozens of naysayers who said 4L.coms were a waste of time and money. Once the prices soared and they realized they were wrong they jumped on the bandwagon. The LLLL.net market is bound to appreciate due to the price appreciation of their .com counterpart. All the premium LLLL.nets are already gone and this is only an invitation for people to start grabbing triple premiums.
I let the market speak for itself. If people are starting to buying out LLLL.nets, then so am I. It's a minimal investment compared to future returns. When you domain for a living, you go where the market goes and try to make decisions strategically. The LLLL.net buyout is going ridiculously quick. Still looking through the lists!
lll.orgs were selling for $10-20 a piece a few years back. The situation today is totally different. The same can happen with llll.nets as well. Waiting for a few years is a no big deal considering the cost of renewals.
said? I STILL say it. This is a bubble, all fueled by resellers just selling to one another. It can only be sustained 2 ways, more stupid people buying into the hype or end-user demand supplies real cash into the market. Anyone who thinks good 4 letter .coms - stuff taken ages ago is the same as your bottom of barrel nobody gives a damn about trash is sadly mistaken. GOOD DOMAINS ARE APPRECIATING, across the board. This sudden rush of resales of 4 letter names with no real meaning or traffic value is a bubble. .net's have been worth less than 10% of .coms historically. If your .com's are just breaking 00$ in this bubble puts .net values at $10 or around reg fee. Let's use sex.com and sex.net as an example. 14 million for sex.com, 400k for sex.net, 3% value. Base price of 4 letter .coms is 100$ let's say. Base price on .nets? $3, below even reg fee. I am not saying people can't make money in a bubble, they surely can, but these are people operating on margins that are virtually worthless to most major players. Is it worth an hour of my time to flip for a few bucks of profit? No. Maybe it is worth yours. Maybe I should take advantage and sell 4 letter domains (yes ive owned a few cvcv names for many years now) while they are in this bubble? But perhaps there is a different demand curve for nice domains which make sense, not garbage, which may indeed continue to appreciate. I have seen and heard the there is nowhere to go but up argument but it's a fool's argument. Someone is eventually going to get left holding the bag. I also appreciate comments left like 'it fuels the industry' - hype, smoke and mirrors? maybe it fuels a bubble. The majority of domain market is fueled by end-user demand, don't let there be any mistakes. End-users demand good domains and the traffic often associated with them. Traffic names are an extension of end-user demand, people need that traffic to get users to convert into sales. Don't get visions of grandeur with all this hype, ask yourself does it make sense? There certainly seems to be enough supply of people selling, but where is the demand? Who is the demand generated from? Is it sustainable? I wonder what happens at renewal time?
Long and read worthy comment, kohashi. You do need to remember that buyouts DO fuel the industry. Regardless if it's a bubble or not (not saying this is a bubble), but the point is that when people start mass buying and taking over a niche--like LLLL--it raises prices. This causes the price expectation from an end user to go up in value. If generic .coms were available it wouldn't be a big thing finding a new one. Once all are taken THEN you need to start paying $$$ to get it. The value is in the rarity. With the LLLL.net situation, people are starting to ask outrageous prices for their .coms. If a company wanted to get a domain, .net would be the best 2nd option. Pricing all depends on the owner. Whether situations like these are worth investments is not up to me to decide. I simply take advantage of an opportunity if it's seen, yet I have a bit of a domaining background so I don't go money-crazy depending on the situation. That's up to others to see if they want to "buy into the bubble."
Buyouts fuel WHAT industry? The passing domains between reseller to reseller industry? Buying out all the 4 letter domains doesn't increase end-user demand, which is what fuels any industry in the long run, short run, this is just a bubble, simple as that.
See it from this perspective. We buyout all available LLLL.nets. So, obviously if there is a company with the abbreviation of the name we hold they would want it. .coms might become too expensive for them to afford so they obviously turn to the cheaper .net counterpart. This is certainly not a bubble but a investment based on prudence and careful calculation of gains.