Google Trust Rank

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    pixads, Mar 16, 2006 IP
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  2. Mong

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    #2
    these are all home-made terms
    Google knows "Page Rank" only ... imho. :)
     
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  3. Old Welsh Guy

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    Sorry but your wrong there Dude. Trustrank is real, google filed a paptent on it last year ;)
     
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    Thats interesting. The first time I have heard of this.
     
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    If your site does not rank highly for a load of terms then its probably not one of the 'trusted few'.

    Trusted sites can throw up a new page for a subject and straight away get page 1 rankings for it.
     
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    Sorry i didn't know
    thanks for alert :)
     
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  7. Old Welsh Guy

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    Put better than I could, here is a page from the original research into this in a document (1 page) from Stanford university (the palce where Lary Page & Sergey Brin Met) http://dbpubs.stanford.edu:8090/pub/2004-17 this is a 2004 paper, the patent was filed in march 2005
     
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    Guys now we have to fight with two Ranks ... the good old PageRank and The TrustRank :) :) :) :)

    Manish
     
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    At least they don't publish TR on a stupidly addictive green bar.:rolleyes:
     
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    Why do you think Google stopped reporting backlinks correctly? If they didn't, then the smart money could crunch the backlinks and identify the seed sites ;)
     
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    new site have about 20 inbound links and not one appeared on Google. :(
     
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    Read this line carefully ;) The Google backlink command has been deliberately altered to show 'a selection of backlinks'. If you want to know if those backlinks are being counted, just go to the page, view the cache, and if the link is cached then your getting benefit for it.
     
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    So is TR related to PR
    How can we increase our TR?
    Do you need to be for instance PR 7 or above for this?
     
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    TR and PR are not directly related.

    PR is based on the number of links to your site, TR is related to the quality of the links to your site.

    To get good TR you need an older, well established site with relevant backlinks and good resources for your visitors.
     
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    Ah TR is is an aging process related to PR. Which means the slower and more naturally you acquire PR the higher your TR, as a sort of reward. And no doubt there is an algo being made that will filter out the rocket PR sites. Oh dear, the MICK update.
     
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    I didn't know that. Thanks for the info.
     
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    OWG's Nutshell Trust rank

    Google will look at their algo, and identify its current hubs and authorities.

    Google will then manually rate these sites with regard trusted content.

    A prime example would be the BBC. they only ever link out to on topic, hand selected sites (like my rugby forum :D ) sorry I couldn't resist, sometimes it pays to have friends who also edit for the beeb LOL

    More seriously. These seed sites will be given a trust factor which can then be carried (like page rank) through their links.

    Most niche trusted sites will carry links to similar content, or links to links on similar content. E.G. Reuters might run a news line, that is picked up by the BBC who rewrite and cite the original Reuters report. CNN might cite the BBC version which is more developed. ALL these sites are interlinking, and all are trusted sites. They might all also link to a website that originally carried the white paper/ allegation/ content.

    So lets put it into practice.

    I release a niche altruistic website that is well received. The news gets picked up by the BBC who link to it. various other news sites pick up on it and also point links to my niche site. In time other charity and educational sites link to me, as well as church sites. Many of these sites will be either seed trusted sites or linked to by seed sites. The closer the incoming link to my site is to the seed site, the more trustrank my altruism site will get. The further away, the less. By default, if my trustrank hits a level, I might well become a trusted hub. Making links from my site very valuable (in terms of TR not monetary, although this will also be the case, but no one will know the TR to know the value)

    Trust rank will (IMO) compound so that the sum of the whole will be greater than the parts. so if a site got links from a seed site it would be worth x, but a site with links from two seed sites could be x +y + compounded trust value.

    That is my take on trustrank. So the old adage of build quality content that people will want to link to, means more than ever now.

    One last thing, in life there is balance, for every shard of light there is dark, for every white stetson, there is a black un ;) If some sites ARE trusted, either by seed or approval of seed, then some will NOT be. It is therefore possible, that links from untrusted (due to being unknown) sites, might not get any link benefit to pass on? Just a theory ;)
     
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    <added as an afterthought> If you want to see a crude version of trustrank in action then look at social networking (like orkut strangely enough ;) ) or even the voting system on this forum is a form of trustrank.

    If someone with a red rep votes for you, it doesn't count, because in the eyes of the forum they are not trusted. While a vote (good or bad) from someone with many squares can lift you up on high, or drop you like a stone. While votes from those with one or two squares will count, but not for much.

    DP trustrank in action.
     
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    Old Welsh Guy: Thanks for the detailed developement of the TR.

    I've heard somebody say that an IP is blacklisted in the TR database. I wish I could find out how to check such things...
     
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    Pixads, there is nothing to sat that TR is in fact up and running yet (although some feel that some form if it is ). Myself included. As for Ip's being blacklisted in TR well that is pure speculation really. IP's can be blacklisted anyhow so it is not peculiar to TR.
     
    Old Welsh Guy, Mar 18, 2006 IP