Islam and the Mainstream Muslim View - Please Contribute your Thoughts

I asked this question in the other thread about suicide bombing and Islam.

It is a deeply important question to me. Because I don't want it to get lost in the shuffle of the other thread, I wanted to raise the question here.

I have said it before and I will reaffirm it here - I come with no preconceived notions or enmity to any faith or creed of man. My only concern is over the here and now, and when I die, over the world my son will inherit; it is a very real concern.

Hence, I ask the following:

I came across the following on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

This is an interview with Anjem Chaudary, a Mullah based in London. Among the things he indicates, is that all non-Muslims are not "innocent" by definition, because all non-Muslims are defying God. Therefore, their murder, such as in a suicide bombing or terrorist attack (as happened in London) is justified.

This is another, which was on the same page as the Chaudary interview, a protest in London, in 2006.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKUoxbR9mwA&feature=related

If you'll watch the video, you will see the protest shouting murderous things - "we love Usama" and "May Usama Bin Ladn Bomb You" all the way to "Take lesson of the Jews of Khalbar" and "we will take your wives as war-booty," and other vile crap. This was in response to the Danish cartoon of th Prophet of Islam. As I understand it from what has been said on this board, advocating death over an insult is not Islam.

Muslims on this board, please take this sincerely. If I hear you right, these people are therefore trashing your religion and making it seen to be a religion of murder and hate, not peace. Why is there not mass protest by Muslims against crap such as this? I have heard it said this violent philosophy is a minority view. I therefore ask: why was therefore not a tidal wave of counterprotest? Indeed, as far as I know, no mass response in London, for instance, on at least the scale of this protest, and with as much conviction in the other direction - why not?

I ask because seeing this filth deeply concerns me. It concerns me over the kind of world my son will inherit, and how safe he and his family will be in the coming years. It concerns me as someone rooted in my own history and cultural traditions, which do not include murder over words. And it concerns me as a humanist, who does hope for a world of tolerance and mutual understanding.

 

Judging by your MULTIPLE posts about Muslims you must be a very, very scared man (maybe of even your own shadow). You have what I would consider FULL BLOWN Islamophobia. I guess the media has you conditioned well. Don't you see that this whole "war on terror" and "terrorists" is just a ploy man? You need to look deeper than Islam to find the real truth. This is just an excuse by the elite to shift attention of the sheeple and pull a slight of hand on us all. I say do not be so paranoid and play into the hands of the war mongers they will promote hate to start unjustified wars, being that against Muslims, South Americans or Asians. Digg deep.

 

I remind you of the other thread:

And I would say I am after the same goal here, to come to some answers about a very serious issue. I'd appreciate you staying to the question, and if you cannot, to stay out. Your attempt to cast personal aspersions on me do not have anything to do with the question at hand, and although my raising the question here - as well as the other thread - apparently frightens you, you need to keep the personal insults out.

I am afraid of nothing but a world my son will inherit that will be a world of continual war and hate. I hope for a world of peace between all people, of all faiths, of all philosophies. This is why I am asking the questions I ask, and I hope for an honorable dialogue.

 

Nothing personal simply trying to balance your views with the good not just the bad. I would be afraid of my son living next door to someone that is a racist or ignorant and scared of everything. While in pursuit of information be careful where you find it and make sure it is not skewed.

P.S. And I posted some links for you on the other thread where you have Christians spreading hate and prejudice against ALL Muslims.

 

The entire substance of your posts rests on "personal," from all I can tell. You don't need to preach to me anything. Stick to the question or leave.

 

Well so you can preach but I can not? Than you can have this thread. Enjoy your democratic thread. I hope you don't rule your own family with such iron fist.

 

You cannot distinguish asking a question from giving a view, so I've little hope you can discern things that actually matter.

You are getting personal again, as with every post. Don't discuss my family. Deal with the question, or leave.

To your "p.s.": I know. I moved the thread here for a reason.

I have said this before, and I'll say it again. I am an atheist and don't care what any religion says. I think there is plenty of hypocrisy and prejudice to go around all the world's religions, most especially the religions based in "one way" to salvation. I care only about religion to the extent it impacts on the world I and my children live in, here and now.

 

Your post reminds me of Sky News.

"And now for a totally balanced view on Islam and the middle east, we go to a nutcase with a patch on his eye and a hook for a hand! (Abu Hamza)"

 

Than if you cant' handle an answer that does not match what you expect to hear what can I say, I'm wasting my own time and I leave this thread.
Good luck.

P.S. I honestly believe that you have already made up your mind about Muslims and these so called "sincere" threads of yours are started simply to inflate/inflame anti-Muslim sentiment. And I hope people can see right though that.

 

I agree with guru-seo, your links are nicely picked.

This is a faith of 1.5 billion people, i have better things to do with my time than protest. I really dont care what people think anymore.

If people want to delude themselves, thats all great for them i guess.

 

If I have gotten a bad selection of news, please help me to see otherwise. Sincerely.

 

"Nicely picked" indicates a bias in where I go to get the news, and that there is other news that shows otherwise. I will make it clear.

I AM ASKING FOR NEWS OTHERWISE, because I do not, even with scant information, presume in my heart this is what 1/4 of the world believes in its heart.

Regarding the lack of protest, if that is the case, the sad thing is that this has become the public face of Islam, it seems to me. So it is very hard for someone such as me, who is not Muslim, to say we can co-exist peacefully when what I see says my wife will be raped as war-booty, for instance, or I am rightfully murdered because I am not a believer.

 

PARANOIA! You have more of a chance of getting killed by a home intruder or some thug that wants your money than a terrorist! And women are more likely to get raped by their own spouses than a terrorist. I can only draw some of my own conclusions by your posts I wonder if others see that as well.

 

I think this thread is only here for one purpose.

Millions of Christians and Hindu's have been ruled by muslims throughout history, even today there are millions of Christians in Muslims countries that have been living side by side with muslims for thousands of years.

If islam really taught these things, how can these people have existed? Why werent they murdered or forced to convert? Hmmmmm.

You are the one ascribing to the minority views by posing such questions and its the media that has made these people the face of Islam.

Who Hijacked my Religion?!?

 

You can presume all you want of my intent, Aceday, or you can take my question as a sincere request - I can't control your response to the question.

Islam and Islamic culture has contributed to the flowering of civilization across many disciplines, and I have defended the tolerance endemic to Islamic rulership before. Here, for instance:

Hence, why I am troubled when I see the crap I see in its name. I am not ascribing to any view. I am asking for information. Thank you for the link - I appreciate your posting it and I will view it.

 

northpointaiki why do you give your own thread a rating of 5 stars? Don't you think is up to others to determine if the thread is good on not? I gave this thread a 1.

 

FYI, i gave this thread 5 stars a minute after north started it.
You are a joke, guru, and a waste of north's time.

 

Guru - what the hell are you talking about?

I wasn't even aware "rating" was a thing one could do - I've never done it, and wouldn't care what it was rated regardless.

Again, your personal theories, beyond baseless, have nothing to do with the thread. Deal with the question or leave.

Edited to add: I see that Devil did it. Devil, thanks for the thought, and to everyone - I have never cared about "thread ratings," etc. Guru - get a life, quit making baseless assumptions and deal with the subject at hand or leave.

 

Very few speak out & i don't know why either, maybe an answer would be better than personal attacks

 

We know where you stand!