Penalization of Established Directories and PRs for new Directories

Discussion in 'Directories' started by coolweb, Oct 27, 2007.

  1. #1
    As everyone knows that Google updated it's another PR yesterday, after the wait of several months. There are lot of new directories got PR++ mostly PR0 to PR4 or PR5, whereas few days ago Google treated with old and established directories badly and those directories got max. of PR4 value.

    Examples:

    AliveDirectory
    AvivaDirectory
    ElegantDirectory
    DirectoryDump
    Romow.com
    Gii.in
    eWebPages.org

    and so on. Most of these directories came down from PR6 to PR4 and were being heavily promoted.

    All above mentioned directories were being penalized as due to excessive promotions and as trying to give best SEO value for the site owners.

    On other side new directories are being awarded with high PR values PR4 or PR5 averagely. Whereas all those new directories were being promoted in almost same ways as that of older ones.

    What do you think, if we should keep on sitting back, watching and analyzing things as always or any further positive steps we need to take for the betterment for the strongly promoted directories and of course for the whole directories' industry.

    Any constructive, innovative and creative ideas are welcome, please share your thoughts!
     
    coolweb, Oct 27, 2007 IP
  2. DirectoryJudge

    DirectoryJudge Peon

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    #2
    I think new sites (not just directories) tend to go up in PR for their first PR update. That's just what I noticed.
     
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  3. mikey1090

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    #3
    Its not good, not good at all.

    Some free directories and bid directories have a handful of links and manage PR4, and sites like those in your list have 300k+ - or 1.5 million + like alive, and get dumped with such a low value.

    I guess thats what happens when you jump on the PR train. Shame...
     
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  4. wounded1987

    wounded1987 Well-Known Member

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    #4
    i think that anythind related with SEO promotion in the directory itself is a bad thing to have, in example a keyword that is related to links or something can assume that your directory is related to SEO promtion, directories are made for index of sites so if people want any info they can grab it from there.
     
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  5. adnan

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    #5
    I guess your right,

    My directory is named Linkspub LOL :)

    But it's a business directory, I guess people find that hard to believe. Actually the intended name was GoingBusiness.com but I wanted to get some directory experience first.

    I've pretty much decided that's gonna be my business for sale site.



    Well the problem is, I don't think theres much me or u or anybody can do. I mean technically it's Google's site and they can pretty much run it as they feel best.

    Unless the matter goes to court and they lose, I guess just sit back and chill.
     
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  6. amanamission

    amanamission Notable Member

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    #6
    What seems obvious here is that there is no penalty; the new algorithm simply dampens the disproportionate power of domain age. The overall effect of this is pretty massive, since old sites tended to share their inflated link power, while new sites tend to link with newer ones.
    As a result, there is finally a more level playing field for new sites-and old sites are losing linkjuice every time they turn around.
    I just hope that this export sticks and they don't try to adjust against the new sites. Fresh content is the winner this round.
    The funny thing is, I was just pontificating about this the other day-how unfair it is to have SERPs dominated by dinosaurs when it's new pages that are adding current content to the web. Apparently someone at Google heard my rant...or perhaps great minds just think alike.:)
     
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    xc06 Notable Member

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    #7
    this is pretty sad: Google sets the game rule , a quite unfair rule IMO.

    Penalty for sure. Can't imagine those big directories only have PR4 if PR is really determined by the power of backlinks.
     
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  8. coolweb

    coolweb Notable Member

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    So you mean, new sites will have less inflated link power when these will grew old?
     
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    Well, I thought about this some time ago. I have done a little promotion. Definitely not heavy promotion with my directory. My directory started as PR4 months ago and that was only for the home page. Now PR has spread right across and I think that is due to the little amount of promotion I did. I firmly believe if I had obtained a large amount of backlinks my directory would have been de-indexed and PR removed.

    I think Google is making a statement about natural progress versus forced progress of web sites.

    I own hundreds of web sites (over 1,000 actually) and have tried several types of promotion with them in batches. My theory seems to be correct.
     
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  10. Valhalla

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    #10
    I think your right on this, slow and steady is the way to go.
     
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    #11
    Not sure that I agree with you.

    A new directory jumped to pr7 and had massive promotion just like the hit directories had.

    Seem like you can get away with heavy promotion the first time around.
    The hardest part for me is to know what to do for the best; do I on my new directory promote like mad or go easy on promotion?

    Thanks Brian
     
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  12. coolweb

    coolweb Notable Member

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    So, If we go for excessive promotions for a new directory it would be de-indexed and PR will be removed? What about the new directories (I would not name them) did excessive promotions and built back links aggressively, but they gained high PR and seems well indexed on G, some of those directories are having 100K+ back links according to Yahoo Site Explorer

    If you talk about their age, few of those directories are like 6+ months old, so cannot be considered as New Directories. So G didn't get enough time to judge with their paid back links?

    And what will be the other methods in case we will need to go for natural building not forced linking. Will not it take ages to promote a directory in this way?
     
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    britishguy Prominent Member

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    #13
    Its not (imho) as it seems it be just a penalty, it appears to have all the hallmarks of stifling commercial activities and neutralizing the impact these directories and more were making on the marketplace

    Its necessary to remember that there is an issue that has been somewhat overlooked here many of these sites have used and paid Adwords to promote their sites

    Therefore it sticks in the throat of these respective Directory Owners

    LIKE A FISHBONE CHOKING THEIR BREATHING:eek:

    This situation has all the circumstantial evidence to assume human intervention has been played by Mr G

    So in reality what is surfacing are facts to confirm that Mr G have indeed received payment for Adwords campaigns from Directories, then downsized the PR rating of those same Adwords users

    These events have a long way to run yet

    In the meantime the Directories will continue to strengthen their resolve, and Mr G can fully expect more wider and far reaching consequences
     
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    #14
    Fair comments by all. Of course, these were just my observations.

    Col :)
     
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  15. coolweb

    coolweb Notable Member

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    That is exactly I too wanted to know, any more theories or ideas?
     
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  16. casinobonusguy

    casinobonusguy Active Member

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    I have a pr5 that is about 5 months old and less than 400 links in yahoo .this site went from pr0 -pr5. site#2 went from pr4 -pr6 and is 1 year 4 months old and has only 3100 links .My site that took the biggest hit is 2 years old and has 14,000 backlinks.it was pr6 but fell to pr4.Just extra note none of my sites use adwords/adsense.The site that did go to pr6 has sold links on there in the 'sponsor' catagory.
     
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  17. britishguy

    britishguy Prominent Member

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    What is clear that the consistency of the results is as shambolic as the tactics of Mr G :eek:

    No basepoints to work from, no standards to work to, no values to follow the whole scenario sucks big time !
     
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    It seems someone is not too happy with my observations. As if a red rep is going to do damage....LOL...what a pillock! :D
     
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    Not fair enough...

    I am hoping some more PR update for this established and reputed directories :eek:
     
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  20. humm

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    #20
    I feel we must wait and see whats happening, PR update hasn't settled down yet.

    I see 3-4 different values in various dc's for many directories. Let's not jump to conclusions.
     
    humm, Oct 27, 2007 IP