Anyone here for Dennis Kucinich?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by melbel, Oct 26, 2007.

  1. #1
    He's my Candidate:

    Kucinich is the only candidate who, in all his years in public office, has never taken one dollar in special interest contributions! No strings attached!!

    Kucinich is the only candidate who voted against the Iraq war, and has always voted against funding it. His plan, H. Res. 1234 will start withdrawal immediately, ending the occupation.

    Kucinich is the only candidate for Not-For-Profit Single-Payer Universal Health Care. Other plans keep insurance companies wealthy and cost taxpayers more.

    Kucinich is the only candidate who will do away with NAFTA, GATT, and the WTO, which have sent American jobs overseas to countries that use slave labor and follow no environmental standards.

    Kucinich is the only candidate for marriage equality.

    Kucinich did not vote for the Patriot Act, and as President, will repeal it.

    Kucinich has proposed the Department of Peace as a means to communicate and negotiate with leaders of other nations, rather than resorting to force.

    Kucinich is working for a paper trail for voting, and for hand counting of votes, NOT electronic voting.

    Kucinich has filed H. Res. 333, Articles of Impeachment against V.P. Dick Cheney.

    Kucinich chairs the Government Oversight Subcommittee on Domestic Policy, the most powerful subcommittee in Congress.


    Just curious if anyone else plans on voting for him in the primaries.
    http://www.dennis4president.com/home/
     
    melbel, Oct 26, 2007 IP
  2. GRIM

    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #2
    Can safely say I am not for him
    I like a few of his positions, but that's about the extent of it.
     
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  3. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    I have no plans to vote for him. I see him very similar as ron paul. I do know that paul indicated if he was elected, he an kucinich would work together on a new 9/11 investigation. I believe paul, though, has pretty much already locked up the troofer vote though.
     
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  4. omgitsfletch

    omgitsfletch Well-Known Member

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    Ron Paul also stands for a good number of those issues, and actually stands a chance to win in the Republican nomination where there is no clear favorite. From the looks of it, Hillary has the Democratic nomination locked up, and Kucinich is just not gaining ground. I think Kucinich is a good guy, but I disagree with some of his stances, such as gun control, universal health care, and immigration. With that said, I think he has more integrity and would do better for this country than a large portion of the candidates.
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    Ron Paul voted against the war and funding.

    Ron Paul will do away with all of those, and the UN, the IMF and Federal Reserve.

    And the Department of Education, the Department of Energy, the Department of Homeland Security, FEMA, FISA FDA etc.

    If you haven't heard of Ron Paul, he's a friend of Dennis'. On the other side of the aisle.
     
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  6. melbel

    melbel Notable Member

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    I don't understand why anyone would want to withdraw from the UN. And why get rid of the IRS and FDA again?
    And the Department of Education? Where will our kids go to school?
     
    melbel, Oct 26, 2007 IP
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    AGS Notable Member

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    Not too sure if that is true but it would be a bloody good idea after the 9/11 (C)ommission report BS.

    I love Kucinich's view on Iraq though. He calls the sham out for exactly what it is.
     
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  8. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    You're kidding right?

    The UN is a body of unelected foreign officials who help create policy that affects Americans domestically. They can regulate medicine (as they already are) and that limits your choices in the marketplace. And you can't petition your congressperson to do anything about it. It's funded by taxpayer dollars, and reminds us of the conflict for independence. No taxation without representation.

    The FDA caters to special interests and lobbying groups. They have also done a terrible job managing the food supply, both in quality or quantity.

    Income tax accounts for 1/3 of the federal budget. If you took away 1/3 of the current budget, we would be at year 2000 spending levels by the government. Now imagine returning to Year 2000 spending, but every working man and woman got to keep 100% of their income. We'd be a pretty damn prosperous nation. People could buy health care, businesses would flourish and folks would rely less on debt to finance their middle class lifestyles.

    What does the Department of Education do? Everyone I ask, doesn't know. The Department of Education has only been around since 1979. Since then, literacy levels in America have dropped to the point of 40+ million Americans who are functionally illiterate. Education needs to be returned to the state level, and not mandated by the Federal Government, which has done a terrible job of education our children. If you ask most teachers about ending the ED, they would probably agree. It's a bureaucratic nightmare.

    I like Dennis and I hope he keeps doing what he does in Congress. He's a true patriot. But this federal government needs an enema before we bankrupt ourselves with deficit spending. I only know one Doctor with the right prescription for that.
     
    guerilla, Oct 27, 2007 IP
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    tarponkeith Well-Known Member

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    If I was a Dem I might vote for Dennis; but it would be a wasted vote, as he's not trying hard enough to get elected...

    EDIT: ps, great post guerilla
     
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  10. omgitsfletch

    omgitsfletch Well-Known Member

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    Great post guerilla, you said exactly what I was about to.
     
    omgitsfletch, Oct 27, 2007 IP
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    earlpearl Well-Known Member

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    His wife gets my vote
     
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    melbel Notable Member

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    I think that our country's system is off and I think with Kucinich in office, he could put it back on track. He wants to change a lot of things in our system. And as for the Department of Education, in Michigan the voucher thing was brought up and I voted a big N-O on that one. What we need is stricter testing for our schools. Make the curriculum harder. The reason our kids are dumb isn't because of the money going into the school... it's teachers who can't find Australia on a map.

    I also don't want my kid going to a religious school or parochial school either.

    And as for the FDA. All those recalls that we're getting about toys from China. Would it be any better if Chinese companies were paying off our companies to be hush-hush about it. Don't act like that kind of stuff doesn't happen in the corporate world. We need a government agency in charge of this so that when we find lead in our toys that we won'tl just let the market decide... if people stop buying lead toys then they won't make them anymore. That's bullsh*t and you know it. Enough toys are coming into our country and people are buying them not knowing that they contain lead. We need a candidate that's going to step up and say, "You know what China? We're not going to trade with you until you clear this lead paint sh*t up."
     
    melbel, Oct 31, 2007 IP
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    demosfen Peon

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    Except for his position on war, I don't see anything good about Kucinich at all... He is a hardcore socialist. More taxes, less freedoms, more government, making free market illegal? I don't think I want the government to decide what I should eat or how I should educate my child. This is ridicuous to even discuss
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    That is totally untrue. Every since the ED started mental health testing, a lot of kids are getting put on psychotropic drugs. That's a function of limited choices and national standards. No child should have to be tested if their parents do not approve. Particularly for mental health. Sounds a lot like Social Darwinism to me.

    Dude, China owns the US right now. They hold a massive chunk of our debt. Anyone who thinks the president is going to maintain the welfare state spending, and get tough with our creditors at the same time is thinking "pie in the sky".

    I like Kucinich on the war, on impeachment and I think he is great in Congress. But he doesn't have the national vision to solve the major domestic issues we have today, like deficit spending, a bankrupt social security plan, $60 trillion in obligations etc.
     
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    the FDA does much much much more harm than it does good, in fact i don't know anything that it does good on. it is against anything that actually helps people, because they are in bed with pharmaceutical companies that ruin people's lives. how do i know this? i've been in extremely bad condition for the last 2.5 years of my life and have experienced almost every health problem to some major degree throughout that time. it only took me about 8 months to realize that most MD's and their practices are in the complete wrong direction, they further people's health problems for their own profit (remember i'm saying MOST of them). the only thing i've been able to benefit from has been going the natural route and everything you encounter on that route is denied by the FDA and in some cases banned. one small example is iodine, it's seen as a harmful substance while it is actually needed just to live (the average Japanese citizen takes in 12.5 mg a day, where americans take not even .5) while they have much better health mind you.. and instead they fluoridate water which IS harmful chemical that is deadly in even small doses (iodine is not) there is also no substantial evidence saying it helps your teeth.

    there's so many examples i could show you about how messed up and corrupt the FDA is. it's a big government program in bed with every other food, drug and pharma company that ruins peoples lives.


    don't be fooled in to thinking that 'big brother' is there to protect you, no he's there to suck the life and money out of you.
     
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    soniqhost.com Notable Member

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    Just wondering how does the UN regulate medicine?

    The FDA doesn’t cater to special interest and lobbying group. Also if you get ride of the FDA what do you replace it with? If you don’t replace it how are you going to insure and inspect food and drugs coming into the US?

    Same question as the FDA you remove the IRS what do you replace it with, you mention taxes from Americans make up 1/3 of the budget in fact you can make an argument that its 2/3 when you consider the tax on social security and medicare is taken out of your paycheck as a tax and half the budget goes to social security and medicare. If you eliminate the IRS how you going to collect the remaining taxes without someone being there to make sure everyone is paying their share and if they don’t pay forcing them to pay?

    The Department of Educate was a gift to Jimmy Carter by congress and it’s a waste of money. Funding for educate mostly comes to the schools through local means (local taxes)
     
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    All that more testing will do is show that our children are getting more stupid the longer they stay in school. In the 4th grade they lead the world in Math and Science, by the time they leave high school they’re last when compared to other industrialized nations students in Math and Science. More testing isn’t going to change the results. A recent study showed that 1 in 10 public schools are drop out factories meaning that 60% or more of the students that start the 9th grade don’t finish High School.

    It’s great that you may not want to send your child to a religious or parochial school but what gives you the right to make that choice for others. Not everyone can afford to send their child to a private school yet a voucher would help pay for that and it would give parents the choice to send their children to better schools where maybe the teachers can find Australia on the map.
     
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    15-20 years ago everyone is crying about how Japan was going to takes us over, How Japan was going to own us, they had the latest technology they were buying Rockefeller Center and on and on. Fast forward 20 years, Japan is just recovering from 10 years of economic depression it has an aging population and high social cost its not owing anyone.

    As for China owning a lot of US debt, that's true but the countries in the middle east collectively own more of our debt then China does why isn't anyone complaining about that?
     
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    demosfen Peon

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    What in the hell are you talking about :confused:
     
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  20. TechEvangelist

    TechEvangelist Guest

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    I think you need to learn something about Civics. The President has no ability to do any of this without the support of the Senate and Congress. It's just wishful thinking. :D

    He will never get the support from the good old boys.
     
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