Have you ever wonder about the existent of GOD?

Have you ever wonder about the existent of GOD? Or you find some conflict in Bible and the knowledge?

 

Yes I found the meaning of God after searching for 12 years.
God stands for
Gas On Demand

Else how can people commiting a sin every second goes to heaven just because someone has forgiven his past, present and future sins

 

yes god is in my heart and soul, come check it out

 

I see you have the power to reason. Animals don't. So can you envision Hitler and Mother Teresa having the exact ending when they die? One did his best to kill children by allowing his doctors to carry whatever type of experiments he wanted on these unfortunate children. Mother Theresa on the other hand did so much good to so many people's life.

So should God reward them both the same?

Here's another one: do we come from monkeys? After all science says we have 97% same DNA as monkeys. Science also says we have 50% same DNA as bananas. Yet this doesn't mean we are half bananas from the waist down or half bananas from the waist up.

The atheist do some great things which I don't seem to find. So can someone help me find an atheistic song? I wonder what that song would sound like.

 

People is balance when they die.

 

I have no idea what exactly you are saying.

 

i sense he wants to say people who die get balanced to neutral or something, let him answer, i can't really think more then this.

 

I think everyone has thought about it, but I wouldn't say i've ever doubted. I've had cases in my life where God has shown me that he is real. I don't need a scientist to give me some type of off-the-wall reasons why I've had these things happen or tell me that they weren't real.

 

proteindude you are a paradox.
you retain the right to be fanatically religious and state in reply to another post that in hiroshima the dropping of the atom bomb was a good thing because it benefited the many by ending the second world war, which by the way isn't factually correct for the war with germany had finished before the war with japan, yet you cannot understand the exact same mentality in fundamentalist muslims. i find this strange.
and by the way i consider totalitarianism to be just another form of religion, after all the brainwashing is exactly the same, so if you start talking how many lives have been lost due to communism as opposed to religion, forget it, they are all as bad as each other. big brother, big mullah, big papa, big rabbi, they all demand the same levels of mindless obedience and equally mindless violence.

 

Soylent Green is People!

 

Sorry. My English is not good. I mean, when people die, they have equal rights, can not bring anything with them so there are no poor or rich man.

 

An atheist song? What?

 

Going with your analogy, how about this:

Say we have a Mother Theresa character who did so much good, went on to help so many people, and just wanted to make the world a better place. But let's change it up: this new lady is an atheist. She isn't changing the world as part of God's mission or anything like that, she just wants to contribute some good to the world before she dies.

Then we have another character, a crazy extremist who radicalizes his government, kills millions of people because he sees them as an inferior race, tries to justify it all under the auspices of bettering mankind, etc etc. But this guy, on his death bed, truly repents for his sins. He sees the horrible things he's done, and asks God to forgive his sins.


According to the Christian religion, our Hitler fella is going to heaven as long as he repents. It can't be some quick fix he wants to undo his wrongdoings, he has to really believe. And yet, our character who has dedicated their life to doing so much good, to improving the world, to making future generations better, is doomed to hell and eternal damnation simply because she shouldn't justify the existence, in her mind, of God.

You really believe that the things you've done in your life are irrelevant? Granted this is a much more polarized example than normal, but is that a just God? I simply can't rationalize that a just God would doom our first character to hell, especially compared to our second character, based solely upon their belief and repenting for their sins. One of these people has done everything in their worldly power to improve life and make the world a better place, just without God's influence in their life to do it, the other has done everything in their power to destroy it, albeit being truly sorry at the end.

 

No response to that from the Christian side?

 

First of all you didn't answer the question that was asked and jumped straight to "correcting" a view which you still didn't address.

Let me make you understand something: when you play soccer, if you score a goal with your hand it's not going to be allowed because it was against the rules. So if you want to win in soccer you have to play according to the rules.

Now, God also has His own rules which you must follow if you want to get into heaven. You think being a good person will get you into heaven. Again, that is your view/rule but it may not be God's rule. He says you MUST believe. But hang on a minute, why MUST I believe? Why can't my goal scored with a hand cannot be allowed? So, back to God's rule. God gave this atheist woman life, gave her the power to reason, gave her children, gave her love and many other things. Yet she refuses to acknowledge God. One other thing, no sinner will enter Heaven. Again, that's God's rule. Sin simply means breaking of God's Law. If you tell a lie (God says not to lie) and I am sure this woman did, she is a law breaker in God's eyes. If she lusted after other man, she stole (value is irrelevant) these are other law breakings. Sin is the most expensive thing in the whole Universe. If your sin is not forgiven you will have a whole eternity to pay for it. So that is why this woman does not deserve Heaven. After all, doing good works for a few years (say she lives long and does good works for 100 years) should that guarantee her an eternity in Heaven? So is this some kind of trade off I do something for God for a while and He will give me eternity forever??
Don't forget this woman at the same time refuses to believe in God and acknowledge Him as her Creator and she is so hardened about this. She may have a lesser punishment in Hell but nevertheless that is where she is heading because according to God's rule she did not follow the rules but decided to make her own rules. It's called disobedience.

Now, regarding the monster that repents just before he dies and goes to Heaven. I wouldn't gamble on repenting at the last moment. Twice I nearly died (once in a plane and another time nearly drowned) and the thought of repenting never crossed my mind even though I fully knew about God. Repentance is not something you do as a last minute trick. Stuff you all, I am "repenting" and I am not going to Heaven: Ha Ha. repentance involves acknowledging you are a sinner, you disobeyed God, you broke His commandments, you were a selfish person, etc. I don't think it's one of those things where you been a monster all your life and somehow you realise you're going to die in the next minute and you press the button and you're saved now. Nope.

Even before I was a Christian there were two things I personally believed in: the existence of Hell and the righteousness of God. I knew that even those in Hell could not say God dealt with them unrighteously. Not sure if this makes sense to you but remember, when it comes to God, it's His rules that matter, not yours. Wanna play soccer? Must follow the soccer rules.

 

This is becoming a very interesting conversation. Just be peaceable guys. Keep the reasoning intact and not get personal. The last thing we want to do is offend each other. What would be the point in doing that?

 

See, but my problem is I can't rationalize God's law. Look at it like this: God supposedly gave me this mind. God supposedly gave me this power of thinking, of reason. I'm going to be punished for all eternity for using the gift God gave me? My mind compels me to believe that there is no real proof of God in my life, and even Christians will admit this: you must believe in God, you say.

All the questionable history of Christianity aside, the arguments back/forth about the Bible's origins aside, the lack of real proof of God in our world aside: I simply can't rationalize a just God who would condemn me to Hell for all eternity if I was a truly good person who can't rationalize and accept belief in God using my brain which God gifted me. And I mean in all seriousness, that if this supposed just God seeks to banish me from the kingdom of heaven, solely because I won't acknowledge his existence and his gifts to me, so be it.

 

Sure dude. Again, if you want to score with your hand in soccer no matter how much you reason with the referee the rule stands. In the Bible it says not to have any other gods before God. What you are doing is creating a god in your image (who wants the things you want and acts according to your wishes) and that is one of the oldest sins in the Bible. It's called idolatry.

Now, if it depends on God for you to be saved you have absolutely nothing to worry about. Come Judgement Day God can't send you to hell because he hasn't done His job to save you, and that would be unfair.

However, if it DOES depend on you to be saved then you are in a lot of trouble and have no one else to blame for your choice but yourself.

 

I'm just curious, why Christianity? You know now pretty much why I believe what I do (or at least part of it), so why do you believe what you do?

I'm just kind of curious to get a religious follower's response to what Richard Dawkins supposes in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mmskXXetcg , where he basically says that you believe what you're raised up on, and it's just pure accident of your birthplace and time as to what you believe.

As an atheist, it's pretty easy for me to apply why I don't believe in a Christian God to why I don't believe in other deities. I'm just curious as to if you've explored other religions, and I've never heard a response rationalizing why you believe that presence you feel is a Christian God as opposed to some other being.

 

Dude, one of the words to describe us Christians is believers. An old Russian guy was asked once by an atheist: "How can you believe in God? Have you ever seen God?" The old Russian guy replied: "I have never seen God in my life. I have also never seen a Japanese in my life either, but I know that Japanese exists because our Russian army fought them in the war. I know God exists because you atheists are always always fighting to disprove His existence."

There are plenty of Christian apologetic websites around. Now, truth can only be described as truth as long as it can be defended. They speak English in USA can only be stated as a fact as long as people speak English. It is a truth. The Bible has been attacked over the centuries by various groups. And yet, it's still the world's #1 selling book. You taking Dawkins attack on Bible over the Bible doesn't make sense. His book and thoughts are very obscure. Once he dies I don't think many will remember him. Yet the Bible will still continue to be #1. It will be continued to be attacked and yet to no avail.

Why I believe what I believe?? Because to me Jesus is the most influential person of all time. Everyone else is LESS influential. I love being on the winning side. If you show me a better way of governance that the golden rule: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" I will be the FIRST to change and believe in a better something. Something better does not exist. My logic says, go with the most valuable.

THE BIBLE
The earth is a sphere
(Isaiah 40:22)
SCIENCE NOW
The earth is a sphere
SCIENCE THEN
The earth was a flat disk

THE BIBLE
Incalculable number of stars (Jeremiah 33:22).
SCIENCE NOW
Incalculable number of stars
SCIENCE THEN
Only 1,100 stars.

THE BIBLE
Free float of earth in space
(Job 26:7).
SCIENCE NOW
Free float of earth in space.
SCIENCE THEN
Earth sat on a large animal.

THE BIBLE
God is
SCIENCE NOW (Ok read a few years from now):
Dawkins who? I thought the guy is dead. Nope, don't remember much about him
SCIENCE THEN
Dawkins is troubled and tries to convince others of his views