Link Blackmail?

Discussion in 'Link Development' started by ROV, Nov 3, 2004.

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    ROV, Nov 3, 2004 IP
  2. schlottke

    schlottke Peon

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    #2
    No, those links wont 'hurt' the site at all.
     
    schlottke, Nov 3, 2004 IP
  3. expat

    expat Stranger from a far land

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    #3
    IBL's can not "hurt" as it would be to easy for competition to shoot you out of the sky. They can be ignored / discounted if the source is apropriately marked or calculated by the se .

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  4. Nick W

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    Agreed. No harm done.

    It is kinda funny :)
     
    Nick W, Nov 3, 2004 IP
  5. lorien1973

    lorien1973 Notable Member

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    15cents/link. Will you be at the bottom of a page within a 1000 links already? Sounds like it. Get what you pay for, right?
     
    lorien1973, Nov 3, 2004 IP
  6. I. Brian

    I. Brian Business consultant

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    If competitor sites could be harmed by linking to them, I would be a multi-millionaire overnight. :)
     
    I. Brian, Nov 4, 2004 IP
  7. nandini

    nandini Peon

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    #7
    I heard somehere that if you get tons of BLs from spamming Blogs, you will find yourself in Sandbox in no time..

    If its true, you can surely harm your competitor by IBLs but only in Google..
     
    nandini, Nov 14, 2004 IP
  8. ResaleBroker

    ResaleBroker Active Member

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    #8
    That's a good point. I hadn't thought of that.

    Here's another scenario: What if you were in the #1 position and you saw one of your competitors start to climb, couldn't you set up a link using a 302 redirect to their home page in hopes of Google dropping them on the basis of duplicate content?
     
    ResaleBroker, Nov 14, 2004 IP
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    exam Peon

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    Very interesting, I'd like to hear what others have to say about it. Perhaps Google would only hit you with dup. content if the 302 redirect is on the same domain?
     
    exam, Nov 16, 2004 IP
  10. ResaleBroker

    ResaleBroker Active Member

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    It is my understanding that duplicate content is duplicate content regardless of the domain.
     
    ResaleBroker, Nov 16, 2004 IP
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    exam Peon

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    So then you could trash a competitor with a 302 on some page?
     
    exam, Nov 16, 2004 IP
  12. ResaleBroker

    ResaleBroker Active Member

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    I'm starting to think that given the right circumstances the answer would be yes.
     
    ResaleBroker, Nov 16, 2004 IP
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    exam Peon

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    Yikes! :eek: Anyone else have a comment on this?
     
    exam, Nov 16, 2004 IP
  14. ResaleBroker

    ResaleBroker Active Member

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    I was recently reading about this happening with "meta refresh" too. Not good!
     
    ResaleBroker, Nov 28, 2004 IP
  15. gchaney

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    #15
    lol, if that's the case, I have like 200+ sites I'd like to get someone to do this with.....lmbo!
     
    gchaney, Nov 29, 2004 IP
  16. darksat

    darksat Guest

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    If you 301 redirect or 302 redirect I dont see how it matters, google will treat a domain that 301/302 redirects onto a new domain as the new domain, all the links will be credited to the new domain, etc.
     
    darksat, Nov 30, 2004 IP
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    Weirfire Language Translation Company

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    #17
    Don't forget that any attempts to copy a web site will mean you are breaking the copy right of that site :) It's a risky business of going down the road of trashing the competitors into oblivion. If they find out what you are doing then be prepared for them doing the same to you. ;)
     
    Weirfire, Nov 30, 2004 IP
  18. T0PS3O

    T0PS3O Feel Good PLC

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    #18
    Shawn has invited all to try and knock digitalpoint.com out of the SERPs.

    You may try.

    With Dup content, it's normally the higher PR one surviving. Not necessarily the higher ranking one.

    The meta refresh hijacking is a well known problem and causing many big headaches.

    I can't see why you would 302 to a competitor's site when you rank higher... You'll loose all traffic, have a chance of kicking yourself out of the index and thus ultimately helping them.
     
    T0PS3O, Nov 30, 2004 IP
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    I have seen big websites removed from Google by 302's and meta refreshes. Yes, you can certainly knock out competitors by 302 linking to them, not that I would try. I just see the consequences and ask normally very co-operative webmasters to remove the links.

    How does it work

    Google has seen the 302/metarefresh, says that your 302 link url is their webpage, says yours is the original, theirs is the duplicate, knocks out their webpage - you then change your link to a 301 redirect and make sure Google finds your link again and removes your link cache, but google has a long memory, and doesn't show their webpage for some time for that search term. If you change your link from 302 to 301 quick enough, your competitors page would be gone and there would be little evidence to find.

    How does it work - when a new page is shown, Google temporarily gives it increased PR and shows it higher in the serps - the concept of new news showing higher for the day, then settling back down to its normal position. If that temporary PR boost gives it higher PR than the competing webpage, and there is duplicate content, the competing page can get killed.

    So what is duplicate content - it can be merely a duplicate snippet - so if you have the same meta description as a competitor or same words on your site that Google chooses for its snippet, that can be enough to be considered duplicate. It has happened to me with merely a paragraph of text.

    Now all this is not to be used for knocking competitors webpages off Google (not that I have any say in what you do). If our own or our clients pages suddenly go west, we need to go searching for this sort of situation so we can ask the webmasters concerned to remove/change the links. What I do is then place that changed link on my PR6 index page so Google can find it ultra quick and delete the page from its cache. I then pray that my clients/my page will return. Still waiting for one search term after weeks.

    The Coop has the same problem with how it treats 302 redirects. http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=5633

    Google, get your act together to fix this BUG!!!!
     
    t2dman, Nov 30, 2004 IP
  20. ResearchTechs

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    Your competitor would likely realize it and call google about it.. likely getting your domain banned :)
     
    ResearchTechs, Dec 5, 2004 IP