Republican Senators Warner and Lugar turn on Bush

Cheney and Bush are embarrassing the Republican party so bad that two prominent and very powerful Republican Senators John Warner and Richard Lugar are now siding with Democrats calling for a pull out of troops and also for better ideas on how the armed forces are used worldwide in the future.

This is a sign that even Republicans have lost all confidence in Bush and Cheney and will lead impeachment proceedings if Bush does not make quick concessions in regard to going against the will of the American people.

 

Good for them.

They will get re-elected for sure I think.

Good try from them.

 

The only thing this is a sign of is a lack of integrity in some. Seems to me some of these guys are up for re-election. I question the motives of someone who stands to lose if they stand by their laurels.

 

Exactly, they sold out and now they fear for their jobs, but they have more integrity than Bush and Cheney who have ZERO credibility !!!

 

Me thinks you are completely confused.

Weren't you leaving?

 

not zero credibility, but zero chance of getting re-elected...this happened when clinton, bush sr, and reagan were all in office as well...people will do anything to get re-elected.

 

Hell, even Al Gore began to distance himself from Bill Clinton, 2 years prior to the 2000 election bid. To this day, he still seems to distance himself from him..

 

Since Warner has expressed dissatisfaction with the status of the war effort for months....another way to look at it is as an effort to create a nonpartisan joint effort to find a "best" solution to a war effort that is and has been non productive for more years than it took to fight WW II.

It is a great opportunity for both Republican and Democratic members of Congress to come together and try and fashion a compromise direction that would veer from the Bush program and do something that is in America's best interests. It is still early and provides enough time to create a non partisan direction before the next election.

Kudo's to Lugar and Warner.

 

Didn't WWII start around September 1st or 3rd 1939? Though some believe it started July 7th 1937 with the Japanese invasion of China. I will give you 1939. So 1939 to 1945 or about 6 years. War in Iraq started in March of 2003. It's now 2007, well half way through it anyway.. I'm no mathematician, but something tells me your figures are a bit off..

Nothing like telling terrorist when we are gonna leave.

 

You never specified America as entering the war. Aside from the official date, FDR illegally (and was almost brought up on impeachment charges) joined the war at least 2 years earlier.

Regardless, WWII had the support of many countries. The war on terror seems to have the support of only those who are against terror. It's gonna take a bit longer.

Wow, AC banned again? Will wonders never cease?

 

yup...I meant to compare US time in WW II to time in Iraq.

And yes....scarcely any part of the rest of the world is putting real resources into fighting Islamic extremism. In fact that is necessary IMHO. The current administration has been essentially unsuccessful in generating this kind of requisite support.

As to AC....oh well.

 

There really is no comparison. They are two entirely different conflicts. The war in Iraq is part of a much larger war on Terror, that will likely go on for decades, or until all the Terrorists are dead.

All we want as American's is a little help. It's sad that so many have let their hatred for Bush get in the way of reason.

 

To get back to the first post, it is so apparant that smart thinking concerned and well informed knowledgeable people (Senators Lugar and Warner) have had it with the direction of the Administration.

I would rephrase what AC said....in that I don't see it that the two aforementioned Senators are siding with the Democrats. It appears they are searching for a middle ground to change direction.

Warner has expressed his dissatisfaction with the progress of the war and its impact on America's best interests for months.

It is not surprising that these two highly regarded Senators, (with expertise and first hand experience in both foreign affairs and military affairs) would express dissatisfaction with the progress of the administration and its explanations, reasonings and responses to ALL who question the administration.

By example, during the July 12th interview with Bush, he responded to a question that went as follows:

Bush's response was to reference that historians will analyse this and then further referenced that at the outset of the war he asked his military commanders if they needed more troops.

He then said....

Instead of answering the question directly....and responding to Bush's vision...and believing in Bush.....he responded by referencing a conversation he purportedly had w/ General Tommy Franks.

First he didn't answer the question. Second he slipped through the question by referencing the vision question....to the purported advice of another person.

Each time Bush does this he raises further questions from well meaning concerned Americans.

He doesn't reference that in February 2003 before the war started , in testimony before the US Senate ARmed Services committee, General Shinseki said that he believed

was necessary for post war Iraq.

After this Rumsfeld and Wolfewitz (then assistant to Rumsfeld) publicly disagreed. Shineski was not fired but was removed of all responsabilities, power and responsability.

If that wasn't a sign to all military personnel to agree with exactly what the administration WANTED then nothing is.

Of interest, In testimony before Congress on November 15, 2006, General Abizaid said that General Shineski's estimate had proved correct.

Still though, Bush refuses to acknowledge any of this history in his public comments.

It is no surprise that well thinking concerned and informed Senators like Lugar and Warner would disagree with Bush and want a new direction.

Kudo's to them.

That example is simply the teeny tip of the iceberg as to why people question the administration and want change. They either don't believe the administration or don't believe that what the administration is honest/successful.

Since that July 12th interview the NIE came out with a report describing a revival of the strength and threats from Al-Queda, suggesting that we are no better off than just before 9/11 2001.

Of interest, Bush's comments on the NIE report focused on one paragraph in the portion of the two page report made public that referenced Iraq and Al-Queda in Iraq.

Bush neither inspires confidence and doesn't seem to search for responses beyond a very narrow unchanging perspective...and that is why more and more Republican Senators and other well meaning people are rapidly challenging him.

 

Note to self. Two = "more and more". Repeat same two and that still equals "more and more". Tell self same thing over and over again and I get? "more and more."

 

yep mia....the trends are going away from Bush.....not towards him....

 

All of washington is sinking into the muck:
http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=27946

 

Yep, like I said.. two..

 

Mia, Loren:

Out of curiosity do you agree with the Bush administration on everything?

Do you think everything he does and says is 100% accurate? Do you think everything he has done turns to gold?

 

Out of curiosity, does it concern you that the approval ratings for congress have been cut to about 1/3 of their levels since january?

Nope. He sucks terribly domestically - save for the tax cuts - and he didn't plan the occupation of Iraq well at all either. I believe I ever say a lot of kind things about Bush, do I?

Overall, don't you agree that our leadership in washington is a complete disaster? House, Senate, and President?

Don't you agree that Reid is a terrible Senate majority leader? Our 3rd in line for the president is an 85 year old guy who shouldn't even be in office - he can barely form cogent sentences and can barely stand on his own.