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Title Tag SEO / Need Help !

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by reapr, Apr 11, 2007.

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    What is best from a SEO perspective. I am ranking on pages 2 - 3 in google for very competitive keywords in the neighborhood of 300-500 million results returned. I don't want to screw up what little organic traffic I have, on the other hand I am willing to make a sacrifice. The question is what is the best title tag.
    The first one is how I have it now.

    Keyword - MyDomainName - Product

    Product - Keyword - MyDomainName

    MyDomainName - Product - Keyword

    Anyother suggestions welcome.
     
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  2. darkcrunk

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    #2
    MyDomainName - Product - Keyword

    would be the best actually ...


    The site title itself should be relevant to the domain and should have some extras.

    Product names, desc, keyword should be kept in the meta description ( works very nicely for google sitemaps )
     
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    #3
    The best for inner pages is -> article name | Site name

    I use this method.
     
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  4. reapr

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    The domain name does not contain any keywords or anything close. These would all be inner pages and most of it reviews of products. The domain is 8 years old and home page is pr4 and focuses on same or similar keyphrases/words. Inner pages are less than a month and show on pages 2-3 with no pr. Like I mentioned I am supprised that the pages rank as well for the ammount of competition.

     
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  5. Farkas

    Farkas Well-Known Member

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    I prefere mixing the product with the keyword.
    MyDomainName - Product & Keyword

    But if you really need that little bit extra to score you better put the keyword first mixed with the product and site.
     
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    In Title tags, the terms listed first will be given the most relevance, so the answer to your question is to list the title tag keywords in order of demand. I prefer to use pipes | as keyword separators which works will.
     
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    ninjashoes Well-Known Member

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    Just use the keyword, anything extra will just take relevency away. Theres no rule that you have to have your sites name in the title.
     
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    thudufushi Well-Known Member

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    Christ, people give advice when they dont know what they are talking about. Scary.

    Listen. title tag is of major importance with SEO so dont take random advice and get it wrong. You are doing really well to compete at that level.

    Searchnolgoy is right.

    Domain should be last or not at all. Keyword first, then product.

    Steve
     
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  9. reapr

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    I have to agree the title tag is very important. What I am seeing since this post is depending on the industry depends on what is best in order after doing many searches on competitive words. Does anyone have proof of specific order that works well?

    Thanks for the comment on competing ....

     
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    Pammer Notable Member

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    Product - Keyword - MyDomainName i think would be best, whenevr you make any "product" content, use product name first, then genuine keywords and then mydomainname...

    if wrong let me clear my point....
     
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    Keyword - Product - Domain (optional or none)

    domain name is optional, and doesn't really provide any value anyway, seeing its last in the title tag it probably wont even show in the serps as they only show the first few caracters.
     
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    I would prefer you order your title as follows:

    Product Name/Brand Name | Category Name | Shop Name

    If space allows, you can place your shop name at the right end. I'd rather reserve that shop name placed prominently on the homepage.
     
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    #13
    I have had good experience with putting the domain name in the title tag. Before you all laugh - I have been involved in SEO since 1999.

    title - www.xxxxx.com My Keywords in a way that makes sense - title
     
    Finding Tom, Apr 12, 2007 IP
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    #14
    I prefer Keyword | Product | Domain

    I don't give much importance to Domain and product. I always try to get 2 keywords in sentence for seperated by | in title.

    But you want a sequence this is the sequence I'll follow.

    Regards
     
    rishimodi, Apr 12, 2007 IP
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    I would suggest this title Product - Keyword - MyDomainName

    Also create your content using your targeted keywords.
     
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    #16
    title tag should use keywords and product name, domain name should not be included.
    i will prefer both
    keywords product
    and
    product keywords
    put the most important u think in the first place, keywords are more popular or ur product.
     
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    yes this is better SE looks first few words so keyword first later product or brand who cares what is domainname
     
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    The only benefit of having the domain in there would be for branding purposes. Unless of course it contained the keywords you are trying to rank for. Which I believe you said it did not.

    And if you do put the domain in there, it should probably be last. Unless you are really trying to brand the domain or it is already a strong brand. Such as the case with seomoz.org, cnn.com, etc.
     
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    Product - Keyword - Domain

    I had domain first for 8 months, then switched over to this format, and moved up about 5 positions. It does make a difference.
     
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    One thing I would like to clear up is this. I don't really know why and it would be interesting to know why content links for me always seem to better with the domain name in the title tag.

    So I have to agree that this needs to be in the title tag in my case and since the last crawl of my site by google on the 10th and all of the pages have moved up a few spots in the serps that it does not hurt.

    The next problem I am having is keyphrase first or product first!

    Ok using a little convoluted logic here please help me out. I am most of all concerned about my inner pages which most are reviews of products. My home page ranks well for many of the keyphrases for very competitive phrases if I chose to do PPC like 1-4 bucks is typical for showing in the top five. I would suspect that if I have my keyphrase/word almost nailed on my home page that it would be best is that was number 2 on of the choices and number one would be the product. The reason I say this is that some of the searches off the SE's 75% of it google is for the product and by placing this ahead of the keyphrase it may rank higher. Am I not wrong in thinking this! and most of the products are reviewed products.

    So I would suspect the best way to go is ...

    Product - Keyphrase - DomainName

    Does anyone have any proof otherwise.

    I think this will be the best solution but it may be the most difficult as I am using a CMS solution with a plugin tha prefers to put the Keyphrase first and it may need to be hacked or recoded.

    The next question is what would be a better separator, pipe, hyphen or space?

    Thanks Pammer for your input! ;)

     
    reapr, Apr 12, 2007 IP