Digital Point Forums
Moneygram

Go Back   Digital Point Forums > Search Engines > Google
Google Analytics
Log In to view
your analytics

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old Feb 28th 2007, 11:32 pm
Cage Rattler's Avatar
Cage Rattler Cage Rattler is offline
Grunt
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Cape Town
Posts: 89
Cage Rattler is on a distinguished road
Click fraud costs Google $1bn

Google on Thursday made public more information about the extent of click fraud on its ad network to further clarify what it says are misperceptions about the issue.

Loosely-defined, click fraud occurs when an internet ad is clicked upon for nefarious reasons, such as driving up a business competitor's ad costs.

The practice takes advantage of how internet advertisers pay a small fee to Google and other internet ad providers each time one of their ads is clicked upon.

Some click-fraud-fighting companies believe the practice is rampant, forces advertisers to pay an extra $16bn a year, and that up to half of all ad clicks are fraudulent.

But according to Google, in the worst cases, on average 10% of all ad clicks are invalid. Typically, the amount is in the low-single-digit percentages. Google bases that figure on the average number of invalid clicks that it catches, and as a result, doesn't charge customers for.

That amounts to about $1bn a year in payments Google could have collected, but chose not to, it said.

The amount of click fraud Google doesn't catch, but is brought to its attention by advertisers, represents less than 0.02% of the times an ad's clicked upon, according to Google.

The information Google released on Thursday does not present a complete picture. What's missing is the number of fraudulent clicks that Google doesn't catch. But what Google released on Thursday is the most complete picture to date the company has offered.

Google also said on Thursday it will introduce a number of new click-fraud-fighting measures in coming weeks and months. They include letting advertisers notify Google about specific internet addresses from where they suspect click-fraud attacks are emanating.

Other new click-fraud initiatives include providing advertisers with a resource centre to address questions and for Google to make available a standard way for advertisers and others to report click fraud.
__________________
The Day The Dollar Died
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old Mar 1st 2007, 5:33 am
2003m2003 2003m2003 is offline
Twilight Vanquisher
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 868
2003m2003 is on a distinguished road
Interesting, thanks for information. Does it say how many publisher ban per day/month?
__________________
Permanent Links for 10$ 1-2
YOUR
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old Mar 1st 2007, 5:37 am
aluke's Avatar
aluke aluke is offline
Champion of the Naaru
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Estonia
Posts: 126
aluke is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2003m2003 View Post
Does it say how many publisher ban per day/month?
Now that would be interesting to know!
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old Mar 1st 2007, 5:42 am
Imran's Avatar
Imran Imran is offline
of the Nightfall
Recent Blog: ATI Radeon HD 5970
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 2,288
Imran is a splendid one to beholdImran is a splendid one to beholdImran is a splendid one to beholdImran is a splendid one to beholdImran is a splendid one to beholdImran is a splendid one to behold
interesting, thanks for sharing this news..
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old Mar 1st 2007, 5:49 am
frisby's Avatar
frisby frisby is offline
of the Nightfall
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: ??? -> Galaxy -> Earth -> Europe
Posts: 1,375
frisby has a spectacular aura aboutfrisby has a spectacular aura about
Can we get also original link of news?
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old Mar 1st 2007, 5:51 am
enQuira's Avatar
enQuira enQuira is offline
of the Nightfall
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Montreal
Posts: 1,561
enQuira has much to be proud ofenQuira has much to be proud ofenQuira has much to be proud ofenQuira has much to be proud ofenQuira has much to be proud ofenQuira has much to be proud ofenQuira has much to be proud ofenQuira has much to be proud ofenQuira has much to be proud ofenQuira has much to be proud of
Google is very careful when it talks about its publishers network. I have seen this in the animated tutorials in their adwords learning center. They don't mention MFAs when they talk about their content network, they cite the NY times, Aol, ...
so last thing they will disclose is their banned publishers.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old Mar 1st 2007, 5:55 am
8everything's Avatar
8everything 8everything is offline
Wordpress Designer
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 15,882
8everything has a reputation beyond repute8everything has a reputation beyond repute8everything has a reputation beyond repute8everything has a reputation beyond repute8everything has a reputation beyond repute8everything has a reputation beyond repute8everything has a reputation beyond repute8everything has a reputation beyond repute8everything has a reputation beyond repute8everything has a reputation beyond repute8everything has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by aluke View Post
Now that would be interesting to know!
A lot of them (theres a few that post here ).

Thanks for the article. Interesting read.. I can't believe click fraud came out to cost them $1 billion, that's a lot.. I wonder if the number will just keep increasing in the futur.. google is definitely going to come up with tougher TOS...
__________________
Oes Tsetnoc

Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old Mar 1st 2007, 7:58 am
Anita's Avatar
Anita Anita is offline
of the Nightfall
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,142
Anita has a spectacular aura aboutAnita has a spectacular aura aboutAnita has a spectacular aura about
It didn't really cost them $1 Billion ... that makes it sound like they would have made more money if the fraud didn't happen. Their truthfulness in recognizing the fraud and returning the money cost them the $1 Billion, not the fraud itself.

Anita
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old Mar 1st 2007, 8:03 am
MattKNC's Avatar
MattKNC MattKNC is offline
Starcaller
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: North Carolina, USA
Posts: 2,579
MattKNC is a glorious beacon of lightMattKNC is a glorious beacon of lightMattKNC is a glorious beacon of lightMattKNC is a glorious beacon of lightMattKNC is a glorious beacon of lightMattKNC is a glorious beacon of light
I have a customer who saw $1500 charged to his account in 20 minutes time a few years back. At that time Google didn't do anything about it, but today they seem a bit more eager (read: lawsuits) to step up their monitoring of the situation.

Google lost a good customer over this issue; likely thousands more kissed the company good-bye too.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old Mar 1st 2007, 8:13 am
john_nyc john_nyc is offline
Twilight Vanquisher
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 919
john_nyc will become famous soon enough
based on that you wouldn't think that soooo many people would get banned for it!
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old Mar 1st 2007, 9:14 am
Briant's Avatar
Briant Briant is offline
of the Nightfall
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,980
Briant will become famous soon enough
The say that about 10% of clicks are not charged to the advertiser due to fraud. If an advertiser spends $1,000. He spends $1,000. If it took a total of 1000 clicks or 1,100 (i.e. 100 disregarded) doesn't necessary matter. Of course the advertiser may have put more money into Google sooner if their clicks exhausted sooner, but this is not a sure thing. My point is this may well have cost Google must less in lost revenue than this claims. Of course if the true click fraud rate is much higher (or if they still paid the publisher (not likely), all bets are off.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old Mar 1st 2007, 9:49 am
Freewebspace Freewebspace is offline
Astral Walker
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Madurai,India
Posts: 6,090
Freewebspace has a reputation beyond reputeFreewebspace has a reputation beyond reputeFreewebspace has a reputation beyond reputeFreewebspace has a reputation beyond reputeFreewebspace has a reputation beyond reputeFreewebspace has a reputation beyond reputeFreewebspace has a reputation beyond reputeFreewebspace has a reputation beyond reputeFreewebspace has a reputation beyond reputeFreewebspace has a reputation beyond reputeFreewebspace has a reputation beyond repute
But why Google is not worrying about $1 billion?

It think they should improve Google adsense technical side more so only they can prevent frauds only to a certain account!
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old Mar 1st 2007, 10:28 am
monsterclips monsterclips is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: London
Posts: 760
monsterclips is on a distinguished road
It doesnt cost google anything its the advertisers using adwords
thats gets robed out of their money. When someone gets banned then the money gets paid back to the advertiser.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old Mar 1st 2007, 11:39 am
oseymour's Avatar
oseymour oseymour is offline
of the Nightfall
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: New York City
Posts: 1,661
oseymour will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by Freewebspace View Post
But why Google is not worrying about $1 billion?

It think they should improve Google adsense technical side more so only they can prevent frauds only to a certain account!
who says there are not worried about it. they are losing advertisers every day. why do you think they are so quick to ban publishers.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old Mar 1st 2007, 12:48 pm
soniqhost.com's Avatar
soniqhost.com soniqhost.com is offline
Astral Walker
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 5,026
soniqhost.com is just really nicesoniqhost.com is just really nicesoniqhost.com is just really nicesoniqhost.com is just really nicesoniqhost.com is just really nice
There is more to the issue then just click fraud, google and yahoo and publishers can't even come to terms on what is considered a click. For example if some clicks on the ad by mistake is it still considered a click.
__________________
[CENTER]
For Sale
| For Sale
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old Mar 1st 2007, 3:26 pm
tlainevool tlainevool is offline
of the Nightfall
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 1,071
tlainevool will become famous soon enoughtlainevool will become famous soon enough
I think the key point to remember is this paragraph from you original post:

Quote:
The information Google released on Thursday does not present a complete picture. What's missing is the number of fraudulent clicks that Google doesn't catch. But what Google released on Thursday is the most complete picture to date the company has offered.
Lot's of people are reporting this story as "Google says click fraud is 0.02%". This simply isn't true. Google simply reported what number of click they count as invalid. This says nothing about actual click fraud levels.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old Mar 1st 2007, 3:29 pm
w3bmaster w3bmaster is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Buzau / Romania
Posts: 14,742
w3bmaster has a brilliant futurew3bmaster has a brilliant futurew3bmaster has a brilliant futurew3bmaster has a brilliant futurew3bmaster has a brilliant futurew3bmaster has a brilliant futurew3bmaster has a brilliant futurew3bmaster has a brilliant futurew3bmaster has a brilliant futurew3bmaster has a brilliant futurew3bmaster has a brilliant future
They have from where to lose money but it's to bad that in this "war" there are colateral victims ... (honest publishers geting ban)
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old Mar 1st 2007, 7:19 pm
mNote's Avatar
mNote mNote is offline
Grunt
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 46
mNote is on a distinguished road
I think google makes so much more that they don't care about 1 billion...
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old Mar 1st 2007, 8:42 pm
Reprobate's Avatar
Reprobate Reprobate is offline
of the Nightfall
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Australia
Posts: 1,004
Reprobate has a spectacular aura aboutReprobate has a spectacular aura aboutReprobate has a spectacular aura about
re: Click fraud costs Google $1bn

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cage Rattler View Post
That amounts to about $1bn a year in payments Google could have collected, but chose not to, it said.
So it's not a loss, it's not imbibing an ill gotten gain.

You can't lose something you're never meant to have.
__________________
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Google Mass Click Fraud - HELP! Marketing Rookie AdSense 24 Feb 4th 2007 5:21 pm
Contacting Google for Click Fraud TheKid Google AdWords 7 Dec 25th 2006 6:54 pm
Google DOES look at click fraud fryman Guidelines / Compliance 12 Sep 11th 2006 11:51 pm
New click fraud suit for Google Endurer Google AdWords 15 Aug 22nd 2006 9:50 pm
click fraud on google adwords bluedevilone Google AdWords 7 Apr 15th 2006 1:36 am


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 1:26 pm.