I think it has increased because the terrorist now know that with the exception of the US, England Australia, and the other smaller countries involved, they can get away with it...take france and spain for example...spain was attacked, and they pulled out of Iraq...the terrorists won. France is only an appeaser...however, no new attacks in the US, and England busts more terrorists every year.
Well yeah, once you engage the terrorists, they're going to attack you more often... that's kind of obvious. They needed statistics to tell us this??
From your website: http://www.motherjones.com/news/featurex/2007/03/iraq_effect_7.html India, Chechnya, and Southeast Asia don't all necessarily connect to Iraq. There's situations of esclation that have absolutely nothing to do with the middle east. Even if this war never happened, there would be problems in India, Chechnya, and part of Asia. This has a stronger historical hold than just them damn Americans. Your data gives very little to work with. It's like gun violence data,...it doesn't establish cause and effect and doesn't specify the breakdown of regions...so people access the information without a clear picture. That's not a productive way of proving a point, ferret.
Well, for the most part it's more or less just the acknowledgement/adaption of nations throughout the world. It would be incredibly dangerous for us to put troops in India, Chechnya, and Southeast Asia...without the absolute knowledge/desire of said government and neighbors. In fact ground troops aren't the best tool in this war on terror. Depending on how you like them, our intelligience agencies and networks of cooperative spies/moles are probably the best tools. That along with political diplomacy to enforce border areas and define governmental policy....for Pakistan, Chechnya, Palestine, etc. The best policy is to bring some of these countries out of the dark ages, and influence a level of western-economics on them. That might require a shift in our energy policy to generate long-term benefits.
when you remove iraq and afghanistan the numbers are essentially equal. I'm not sure if ferret is reading these graphs correctly. ferret's glib interpretation of these results has already been pointed out by Rick, but chechnya's % change is 99%. Is this america's fault to. Since we invaded iraq, the chechens started killing more people? that makes a helluva lot of sense. the graph is designed to cutely pin the world's problems on iraq and america, and ferret fell for it hook line and sinker. but since it didn't involve reading, i guess it was easier for him to comprehend. Pictures! so, i guess if someone, somewhere dies thru terrorism its as a direct result of Iraq. Makes sense. I guess.
not surprised... there you go and there you have it... tell me something I didn't already know I'm shocked!!! Pictures?? Man, I thought he relied on facts??
Thats funny you guys actually think the Iraq war is NOT used as a propaganda and recruiting tool for extremist muslims world wide? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4358640.stm http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28876-2005Feb16.html http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070222/REPOSITORY/702220312/1013/48HOURS
Curious - if Iraq is such a great recruitment tool, why are the terrorist leaders in Iraq telling the democrats they are the reason for their victory and want us to withdraw from Iraq. Seems to me, that if Iraq is such a great tool, they'd want us there, right? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070213/ap_on_re_mi_ea/zawahri_tape
You actually believe the terrorist's press releases? I don't even believe my own governments press releases most the time.
Zawahiri, I believe, is the one who originally claimed that Iraq was a boon to terrorist organizations. Except the ones you agree with (as above), right? Come on. Did you read the story I linked to (nevermind - we already know this answer). The terrorist is making the point that the US should leave Iraq and give up. I'm not quoting the terrorist, I'm making the counter point. If Iraq is such a great tool; why would the terrorists want us to leave? Do I have to repeat that again?
You may have to specify whom 'they' is...and prove that 'they' think that. It's said that the people that committed 9/11 said our involvement with the Serbs/Albania thing....led them to attack us. We defended the muslims there, so no matter how we do things, some people will hate us. I just thought your assertion weren't full put in the light.
The terrorists said that. http://english.aljazeera.net/news/archive/archive?ArchiveId=35762 Seems like they use any reason to blow up our crap. We are nice to them - they blow up our crap. We kill them - they blow up our crap. Can't win for losin'.
It's understandable then that people with the unalterable opinion that everything Bush does is wrong are aligned with the terrorists. The same mindless hate towards the president is exactly the same mentality that leads to mindless hates towards the US. It's not what we do that's the problem. It's what we are. We either have to become them or be in a seemingly endless battle to dispose of them.
Exactly. I'm trying to find the quote from the Hezbollah leader after one of the pro-Hezbollah marches during the Israel-Lebanon conflict a few months back. He said something to the effect of - we don't want anything from you; we just want you to die. Something like that. People seem to forget who they are supporting. In their BDS orgasms, who the enemy is gets lost. EDIT - Found it. I got the date of the comment wrong. But anyways. http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/article2154795.ece I think that comment is dead on too. I'm amazed that if you listen to a liberal sometimes, you get the same talking points as a Neo-Nazi (in terms of the jews) or you hear the same rantings from a terrorist leader. It's absolutely stunning. Here's a longer article on that very topic that is really worth a read. http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21149490-7583,00.html
I believe they will do anything to undermind the US and other troops involved, and if that means attempting to scare americans by chopping off people's heads, then that is what they must do.... somehow, I am totally not surprised, however, you will believe all the conspiracy theory crap that AGS posts....to use GW's words: Alert! Nutjob in the making!!
In this case... there is only one solution. One of them need to stop first. Either US army or the jihadists. If not, it is you responsible to spend out more money!