The Holocaust Card

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  2. The Webby

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    I think it's pretty sick to compare or relate holocaust to Palestine. They are not on the same scale, not on the same page, not even in the same book.

    Norman Finkelstein is a poster child for antisemitism.
    I know what you are gonna say - "He is a Jew himself, he lost his family in Nazi concentration camps, how could you accuse him of antisemitism".

    But please, this guy advocates civilian killings by Hamas/Hezbollah.
     
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  3. IsraeI

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    I think that's something you need to talk to him about.

    The question was:

    Do you think Israeli's and Pro-Israeli's exploit the history of Jewish suffering in Europe?

    48% of Europeans seem to think so - http://www.icmresearch.com/pdfs/2011...stine_poll.pdf
     
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    No, I don't think so..
     
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    I think Jews are always singled out for whatever reasons. I don't think so they exploit their sufferings, nobody would do that its a misconception. What Jews in Europe ask is there right to live in peace.
     
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    How about the Palestinians now. How about their right to live in peace.
     
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    Stop trowing rockets and you'll be left in peace . The Israelis let them be when they don't try to kill them . A coward like you should know that very well :eek:
     
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    Everyone has the right to live in peace. Not everyone has the capability. They might want to start by not electing leaders sworn to the destruction of Israel. Just a thought.

    @Israel: That poll was awesome! It might be the most interesting and credible bit of information I've ever seen you post. A few other highlights:

    Most Europeans find Israel to be the aggressor, though when asked, on an act by act basis, they nearly unanimously find the acts of the Palestinians to be illegal(suicide bombings, rockets, etc), while there is great disparity over whether the acts of Israel are illegal.

    Nearly half, and in the case of the Netherlands, more than half of Europeans think that UN Resolutions have been distributed evenly against Palestine and Israel. I thought that ignorance level was the most telling thing in the entire poll.

    To your original point, I don't know how you could find a state built as a result of Jewish suffering in Europe could not be perceived as capitalizing on the suffering of Jewish people in Europe. Its very existence is rooted in that suffering.
     
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    There is no such right. Who told you otherwise?
     
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  10. IsraeI

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    This one is even more awesome - http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world...ame-jews-for-global-financial-crisis-1.269834

     
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    Very interesting, but not surprising. Did anti-Semitism every really die in Europe? If it cheers you up at all, they hate Arabs too.

    Thanks to the actions of your friends in Hamas and other terrorist organizations, that type of racial distaste has grown dramatically. I thought this poll was particularly interesting:

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    Looks like you got the drunks, and drug addicts beat. Yay!

    The irony is, the Jewish ADL jumped to the defense of Arabs and Muslims in America, post 9-11, while you busily foster racial hatred, as if something can make it justifiable. It seems you sadly believe that, if enough people hate the Jews and/or Israel, it will somehow improve public opinion of Palestinians and Arabs.
     
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    What are you talking about? This is totally irrelevant..what do homosexuals and Hindus have to do with this thread?

    Btw, Where am I fostering racial hatred? I'm highlighting the exploitation of Jewish suffering by a certain group of people, you are desperately trying to change the subject because you are one of this exploiters..why do you exploit the history of Jewish suffering?
     
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    No, you are trying to use a public opinion poll to make what you feel is a statement of fact( argumentum ad populum). Your argument is, because 40 something percent of Europeans feel Israeli's exploit the holocaust, it must be true.

    My response, since you clearly didn't catch it, was to use your same line of reasoning, logical fallacy and all, against you. I posted a poll that showed nobody wants an Arab for a neighbor, therefore, Arabs must be horrible neighbors. Its the same line of reasoning that says Muslim = terrorist.

    Either both promote racial hatred, or neither do. Take your pick.
     
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    The reason for anti-Islamic sentiments is something called Islamophobia, false attacks (like 9/11) blamed on Muslims, and Israeli propaganda...but let's not change the subject as you always do.

    The reason that people think Israeli's exploit the history of Jewish suffering is because..........that's what they do. I gave a fine example in post #1...and I'm not entirely convinced actually..that's why I'm asking members of this forum for their opinion.
     
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    I see. So your argument is that any anti-Arab sentiment is racism, not the result of the actions of ARabs, but any anti-Jewish sentiment is not racism, but a direct result of the actions of Israel. Have I got it straight?

    LoL. I hope you are also trying to actively promote the sterotype of Arab idiocy, because you are doing a fine job of it.
     
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  16. IsraeI

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    No. anti-Jewish sentiment is not fine, it's wrong. But critiscism of Israel and its supporters is fine, how did I know you are going to play the anti-semetic, anti-Jewish card, it's like all you guys have left.

    Get out of here dude, stop hijacking this thread.

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    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netenyahu Exploits Holocaust:

    [video=youtube;A4ashyoYV8Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4ashyoYV8Q&feature=relmfu[/video]
     
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    Yupp mate, Islamic terrorism is a false propaganda. An Elaborated lies created by drastically different countries. Muslims are always a victim.
     
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    Terrorism is done by all kinds of people, religious, nationalists, whatever..it's everywhere..what is your point again?
     
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    All kind of people who happen to follow one religion, that's my point.

    It's not Islamophobia, it's Islamic terrorism that pushes anti-Islamic sentiments in people, denial can't change that, that's my point.
     
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    First of all Islamophobia does exist, secondly I didn't say that terror attacks by Muslims don't exist, you are attacking the strawman. Thirdly to claim all terrorists follow 1 religion is just retarded, we had a freak named Anders Behring Brevik up in Norway who killed 70+ Norwegians, and he was a Christian fundamentalist.

    Don't continue to go off-topic, you will be ignored.
     
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