Yahoo Update - with sandbox too?

[iskandar]

This new yahoo update is frustrating for me.

First because it appears that yahoo is trying to apply sandbox like google, penalising new sites although the sites offer relevant and high quality pages.

Second because instead of being replaced by good pages, the ones that are replacing my good SERPS are pages that are sometimes funny and irrelevant.

Some examples are like avocado benefit ( highly uncompetitive to show how ridiculous new update is), the no 3 result has nothing to do with the fruit!. It is a school page that has the word "benefit" in it.

Welcome
... THE BENEFIT CONCERT FOR THE SANTA MONICA/MALIBU UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT WAS INCREDIBLE ... A benefit concert to support music programs in the Santa Monica Title I elementary schools ...
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Or for chinese acupuncture , you'll see this result at no 20 ( from 1.9 million pages ). Even at no 20, this is a highly irrelevant result...

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I see my ranks go from top ones to nowhere to be seen, only to be replaced by a lot of spammer pages or stupid pages. I don't mind being dropped from SERP if these pages are better. It's annoying when they are irrelevant.

It appears that the more keyword you stuff, the higher you'll be. Or sometimes, the more irrelevant your page is the higher you'll be. Even for the keyword stupid yahoo the no 1 is not as relevant as the the rest ..

What a joke. At this moment the update is a disaster. Yaho is joining msn ....I hope the result would be better at the end of this update

[City2]

True, Yahoo needs to change their game plan. Although I am very happy with the update, I had many websites i forgot about that managed to rank top 10 for HUGE Keywords I was targeting but it doesnt deserve the rank

[iskandar]

I respect that honesty City2. Not many pl would confess like you. A great gentleman you are.

[eclipse]

For over 4 months i suspected that yahoo has some sort of sandbox filter. My new sites where nowhere to be found or hovering at #30-60 for all keywords (this was strange). I worked my ass off to get a lot of links, but i didn't seem to help. This update is superb for my 6 months old sites, newer site still are nowhere to be found.

[PinoyIto]

I am not sure when we said new site if the old of the site being there or how long it was index... because I have 7 months site but only index by yahoo 3 weeks ago and rank high most of the keyword for the past 2 weeks after the 20th update all keywords drop and can't find any where from top 1 to 1000.

It's really hard to understand yahoo algo.

[Zinho]

It seems to me that anyone can create a page with strong seo efforts on it and start coop-ing it for 3-4 months to get top serps.
I'm just a hobbyist but yahoo serp seems easier the google to manipulate into relatively little time.

[iskandar]

I hope patience is the key here. As it was said in the yahoo blog, the update will be about a few weeks so they are not through yet with this update.
Considering the amount of stupid pages that pop up to the top of the ranking, i believe we will see a great volatility in yahoo SERP in this few weeks.
I really hope that good content site will get the last laugh instead of those spammers. If not, it would certainly be a sad day for a lot of serious content-builder webmaster.
If that happens, i will have to start building super-spammer site to get the traffic ...

[Tuning]

This update sucks IMO.

I can see sites with lower onpage, lower backlinks out performing quality sites.

For this update I think age is an important factor. Does anybody have great ranking for a new website in somewhat competetive field ?

Regards,
Tuning

[redmachine76]

my 2 weeks old site got around 200 pages indexed by yahoo but did't show up in SERP...

[maha]

I have a 2 month old site (forum) that have very little back links, no SEO work, ranked #2 in Yahoo.

[bryanong]

hmm..my clients site doesn;t seem to be affected..they are rank pretty well in yahoo without much of the sandbox effect

[longcall911]

Originally Posted by Tuning

For this update I think age is an important factor.

I think so too. I've changed my opinion a few times so far as to what may be happening, site age may be the key.

The other possibility is a 'too many links too quick' type of filter. And the third possibility seems to be keyword density.

I slipped from #1 to #3. My one year old site has been #1 since Dec '04. I lowered kw density and doubled BLs. The two ahead of me now have been online for 8 years or more.

/*tom*/

[Web Gazelle]

I will say it again and again.. Yahoo and MSN do not have a sandbox. I only need 3 maybe 4 weeks to start ranking in MSN and I can rank in Yahoo after 3 months (they seem to just be slow.)

[Tuning]

Originally Posted by Web Gazelle

I will say it again and again.. Yahoo and MSN do not have a sandbox. I only need 3 maybe 4 weeks to start ranking in MSN and I can rank in Yahoo after 3 months (they seem to just be slow.)

What about well settled sites once ranked well and currently nowhere ?

[Web Gazelle]

I think your avatar says it all when it comes to questions like that.

[mjewel]

Originally Posted by Tuning

What about well settled sites once ranked well and currently nowhere ?

I've not experienced any negative effects with yahoo on sites that have been up for over a year, but have had difficulting with newer sites. I've had sites rank in the top ten for highly competitive keywords for about 7 weeks, only to be deindexed without any changes. I've seen very spammy sites ranking #1, only to be replaced by newer spammy sites. It's almost like sites are able to rank well for a month or two and then yahoo flags them as too spammy.

I also have a site that is still ranking in the top ten for a highly competive keyword even though the site doesn't have anything to do, or even mention the keyword for the last 6 months as I moved the product to another site at a different host. The only place that mentions the keyword is a DMOZ listing and I don't want to attempt changing my DMOZ listing. The ranking doesn't bother me because it brings traffic, I just find it odd that Yahoo would include a site that hasn't had anything to do with the keyword for over six months- especially since it gets spidered by them almost daily.

[lorien1973]

One of my sites used to rank well in yahoo. All pages indexed too. Its down to 5 pages indexed (from 32 yesterday). linkdomain still shows links to the site. Not sure what is up with yahoo. Not really bothered by it though.