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Hijab For Christians?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by wptheme, Nov 13, 2010.

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    Hi, just wondering why is it nuns are wearing the hijab but not commoners. Even Mary does so. Discus :cool:

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    peaceful loving sisters by *Nayzak

    Peace be to you,

    A common misconception is that Muslim women are the only ones who cover their hair. It may be true that Islam is the only religion in which most women follow its directives to cover the hair, but it is not the only religion to have such directives.

    It is particularly interesting to look at the case of Christianity, since Christianity is the predominant religion in the West, and it is Westerners, including observant Christians, who are often the first to criticize Islam because of the hijab (modest dress, including head covering).


    Additionally the idea behind modest dress does not only pertain to females, but to males also. Modesty is encouraged for both genders in Islam and is seen as a sign of piety. Indeed, even Mary, the mother of Jesus wore the hijab. Also, today nuns virtually practice hijab for the same fundamental reason as the devout Muslim woman; to express piety as an individual who chooses to surrender their will to God and God’s Sacred Law.


    Have you ever wondered why Catholic nuns dress like they're wearing hijab (Muslim hijabi women, have you ever been mistaken for a nun?).

    Have you ever wondered why Mary the mother of Jesus (peace be upon them both) is always depicted in Christian art with her hair covered? Did you know that until the 1960s, it was obligatory for Catholic women to cover their heads in church (then they "modernized" the service)?


    It is true that most Christian women do not cover their heads, and many don't take other teachings of the Bible (against pre-marital sex, adultery, etc) literally either. However, there do seem to be a growing number of Christian women out there who are committed to following the Bible as it is written. Below are some WebPages that I found that call for Christian women to cover their heads in accordance with the commandment of the Bible





    the Holy Qur'an says:

    • "And say to the faithful women to lower their gazes, and to guard their private parts, and not to display their beauty except what is apparent of it, and to extend their head coverings (khimars) to cover their bosoms , and not to display their beauty except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband's fathers, or their sons, or their husband's sons, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their womenfolk, or what their right hands rule (slaves), or the followers from the men who do not feel sexual desire, or the small children to whom the nakedness of women is not apparent, and not to strike their feet (on the ground) so as to make known what they hide of their adornments. And turn in repentance to Allah together, O you the faithful, in order that you are successful." - the Holy Qur'an [24:31]



    • "O Prophet! Say to your wives and your daughters and the women of the faithful to draw their outer garments close around themselves; that is better that they will be recognized and not annoyed. And God is ever Forgiving, Gentle.” - the Holy Qur'an [33:59]


    For more on why Muslim women should practice modesty and Hijab:
    Why Should I Wear Hijab?



    Men are also encouraged to be modest. modesty is not only a call to women, but to men too.


    • "Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: And Allah is well acquainted with all that they do." - the Holy Qur'an [24:30]


    So according to Matthew's account what did Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) have to say about men "lowering their gaze" for greater purity? Let’s take a look at the Bible’s account of his Sermon on the Mount:


    • "You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. - New Testament (Matthew 5:27-28)


    So you see, Jesus' statement is very clear about why men should lower their gaze. He even equates the mere act of looking in lust with committing adultery. So what does Jesus recommend to do if a man can’t control himself from visually lusting after women? Well his following statement seems to really underline the importance of not committing these acts in which we often write off as minor sins.


    • "If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. - New Testament (Matthew 5:29)


    Now we don't know for certain that Prophet Jesus -peace be upon him- really recommended gouging one's eyes out but we can conclude with relative certainty that this is a warning to the believers to first save their soul, rather then succumbing to the temptations of mundane desires.

    Often people follow their own passions and lusts to a detriment, further straying from the straight path of understanding and guidance.


    • "Have you seen the one who takes as his god his own desire? Then would you be responsible for him? - Or do you think that most of them hear or reason? They are not except like livestock. Rather, they are [even] more astray in [their] way." the Holy Qur'an [25:43-44]


    • "But if they do not respond to you - then know that they only follow their [own] desires. And who is more astray than one who follows his desire without guidance from God ? Indeed, God does not guide the wrongdoing people." the Holy Qur'an [28:50]



    So now let’s be reasonable here, God knows man and woman’s natural inclinations and desires. So these rules of modesty are not to take away from our individual freedom but rather they serve as loving guidance for us to avoid self destruction.
    Furthermore, what kind of society fosters a more conducive moral environment to avoid such sins? A society where men and women guard their modesty and lower their gaze as such in a true Islamic society or of that from which we see in many countries today where men and women walk around practically nude?

    Obviously God is all loving and wouldn’t make a law for man to follow without facilitating the proper environment to help him/her follow those laws with comfort. Remember, God is All-Loving and does not want to see man destroy himself. So in conclusion, the moral environment of the ideal Islamic society described in the Qur’an is the same exact model society that Jesus professed.

    Indeed, God knows man's nature can often be weak, therefore we are not expected to be perfect all the time. In light of this reality, God shows us an immeasurable amount of mercy towards anyone whom is willing to humbly turn to Him in sincere repentance:


    • "God wishes to lighten (the burden) for you; and man was created weak" the Holy Qur'an [4:28]


    • "And We charge no soul except [with that within] its capacity, and with Us is a record which speaks with truth; and they will not be wronged." the Holy Qur'an [4:28]


    from [link]


    by the way, I like french fries. ^_^

    since so many people pointed this out, I want to reply here:
    in my family's house, when we prepare french fries, we eat them with forks. they are fried with oil. and taking them by hands will make the hands full of oil. so don't feel surprised if you see people eating french fries with forks. ok?

    as for Macdonnald's french fries, I don't know how do they do to remove the oil and keep them dry... O___o

    peace be to you,
    Nayzak
     
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  2. betaturn

    betaturn Peon

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    Yes, according to Christianity, this is the best way of going out in public, but the Christian western women hate clothes so much that they don't even want to cover their knees.
    And also, the popes do not marry, it is considered a sin for them to have sexual relationship. If they are your ideal and every Christisan try to follow a pope and does not marry then Christians will end. No more babies means no more Christians. So your religion teaches you how to end the world!
    We are not here to end the world, a very clear sign that Christians are following the wrong teaching which were never taught by Jesus (PBUH).

    Wakeup people!

    That picture made me hungry, I like finger chips.
     
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  3. grandislandne

    grandislandne Peon

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    Your problem, just like with so many others is that you have taken it upon yourself to make sure other people go to heaven. You can go to heaven whatever way you please, dressed in whatever, doing whatever, following whatever customs you impose on yourself. But give up this insanity of wanting to force other people to go to your heaven. Life is short, let people enjoy their little lives whatever way they want, and if they want to wear microminiskirts that forces you into incessant 'self-stimulation', that is your problem, that does not mean women have to live in sackcloth.

    Religious fanatics are making heaven into a totally undesirable place. I hope God keeps these creeps out of heaven or creates a separate heaven for religious freaks so that ordinary folks like us who like a woman in a short skirt will be able to live peacefully in heaven without these creeps ..

    I love seeing my wife in a short skirt.... she is so hot !!
     
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    grandislandne Peon

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    I am beginning to understand why Stalin stepped on these religious freak bastards necks so hard, and Stalin was a former orthodox priest!
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure about anyone else, but as a Muslim, I am deeply offended by that picture, and its bi-sexual overtones. It is well known that the Japanese style artwork in your picture is widely used for Anime porn. The particular frame you chose shows two young hot girls feeding each other is most likely a prelude to what will be a wild lesbian orgy, with the two girls getting completely naked and touching each other inappropriately, mouth to genitals and Allah knows what else.

    I am deeply disturbed that you would post such highly charged sexual content while claiming to be a Muslim. You sir, are a depraved individual.
     
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    betaturn Peon

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    Allah has made some rules and people have to abide by His rules to prosper in this world and hereafter. There is only one place for transgressors, which is hell fire.
    If you think you are helping religion with obscenity, you are wrong.
     
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    wptheme Well-Known Member

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    Do you like other people having the hots for your wife?
     
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    Helvetii Notable Member

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    Hmm...why not? Who doesn't like jealous friends and neighbors? ;) ;)
     
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    Fruktkaka Greenhorn

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    I think taking fashion advice from an old book is so 1st Century. ;)
     
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    Rebecca Prominent Member

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    I think it's funny to see men that are so obsessed with women's clothing. As far as I'm concerned, adult women are fully capable of dressing themselves. The only time I've ever worn a scarf is if I'm having a really bad hair day. I think it is a woman's right to wear a scarf, or not wear a scarf. In certain Islamic countries, they use this as a tool of oppression, even throwing women in dirty jails for non-compliance. I would say, step back, it's the woman's choice, not yours.
     
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    wptheme Well-Known Member

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    Cool, your creator's words i just fashion for you :p
     
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    Fruktkaka Greenhorn

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    I just think it's the signs of the times. If the books were written in 17-hundres it would be weird wigs and white powder.

    And no, I don't believe it's the words of my creator, but I have no problem with others thinking they are.
     
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    I agree, its obvious that under that pile of fries there are 2 long fat sausages covered in slippery oil with just a dribble falling off 1 end, and they will then be sliding those long hot sausages into each others mouths.

    You should be ashamed of yourself 'wptheme' for posting such degrading porn.

    Wheres the soap?
     
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    Have you ever wondered that the head covering and Christianity were both present long before Islam and the so called "Hijab" was invented?

    In Christianity, the head veil is required for women ONLY during prayers. Modesty does not come from covering their heads in public. Modesty comes from one's inner heart which reflects how other people see her.
    Nuns on the other hand have devoted their life to Jesus and prayers.
     
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    betaturn Peon

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    What a lame excuse for immodest western women. To stand in front of God, cover yourself, and for public appearance, flash yourself. Your religion does not make sense to me.
     
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    God made you naked numnutz and when you where born you had no burqa . You cover your women whit hazmats out of fear that someone might see her beauty and she will go whit him/her . It's called sexual insecurity . So what a lame excuse you're making for having a small muscle .
     
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    Luke12:
    Christian law also states that a women who commit adultery is to be stoned to death. But you point fingers to Muslims who still hold to this principle. But it was deleted in the king James version.
    You have thrown your religious principles into dustbin. And picked up the ones which you thought easier to follow. What a religion.
    Jesus (PBUH) was supposed to be said that there are three Gods, Son, father and Spirit. Its still in James version. This script is not contained in any greek version before 15th century. It can not be found in old greek manuscripts of bible, it was added in 15th century. It was not found in any of the manuscript.

    With this kind of background, don't you think its your responsibility to determine what the true message of Jesus was?
    Furthermore, look at the authors of both testaments, the 5 books of Moses could not have been written by Moses. These were created 974 generations before the creation of the world. And God dictated to Moses when He was on the mount.
    True Torah was already written and it was the word of God. However for Christian sources they believe it was written by Moses. The verses however indicate that it could not have been possibly been written by Moses. According to the book, Moses died in a place, so how can Moses write this himself.

    Catholic bible has additional 7 books which the protestant Bible rejects. Gospels themselves the same. Issues about manuscript is sufficient to raise major doubts. Oldest of the gospel were written in Greek, which was not the language of Jesus. Who then wrote the Gospels?

    Having alcohol is impermissible twice in your bible, but this is your favourite drink.
    Dead meat, pork, blood and any meat which does not have name of God invoked is not permissible, yet pork is your favourite dish.

    You do opposite of what bible says because you believe from the bottom of the heart that this is altered and modified.
    you even reject the righteous guidance of the book. Believing that these statements are also fabricated.
     
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    The Bible says a lot of things , but we don't take the Bible as "the word" that's why we went to space and you went to pleasure the goats .
     
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    Christians = too liberal
    Muslims = too extreme

    If only there is a way to make both moderate, world would be a better place.
     
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    Betaturn,

    First of all, you have the misconception that western = Christian. It is far from from that and those you see on TV and movies do not represent Christianity. A faithful christian woman certainly does not go nude as you might think.

    There is no such thing as Christian law. You're referring to Judaism of the old testament. We Christians are following the faithful teachings of Jesus Christ and the guidance of the holy spirit. I am not sure if you realized, but the transition from old to new testament stopped the shedding of blood and with it many other things that were made for people of the old testament era to follow before Jesus first coming. The rules were strict at that time and they had their purpose.

    Every miracle and every event made by Jesus has a significance. Those miracles were not made to amaze people but they have a significance and if you read with faith and open mindedness, you'll understand. You say Christian law mentioned stoning of women. Maybe you should read the bible again.

    Extracted from bible (John 8:2):

    "And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto Him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, They say unto Him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the Law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest Thou?"

    "But Jesus stooped down, and with His finger wrote on the ground, as though He heard them not. So when they continued asking Him, He lifted up Himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. And again He stooped down, and wrote on the ground

    "And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."

    So, this is very clear act that Jesus himself wanted us to follow. We are not here to judge others.

    I can go and answer every single question and I would be happy to but I want you to understand what Christianity is about and How we are following God's teachings. From your questions, you have many misconceptions and false understanding about the bible. I will answer more when time allows.
     
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