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Old Oct 13th 2006, 9:32 am
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Google's adsense a Fraud

I think Google's adsense is a fraud Even though I am a staunch supporter of adsense the posts here by DP members make me to believe that Google adsense is a fraud scandal for webmasters who own small to medium sites with hits below 100 a day ,because of the following reasons

i)They do not ban suddenly when they detect a click fraud (They ban only if a person has made more than $10 or more in a single day compared to previous day or when a webmaster reaches $100 in his account,though he may clicked his ads and gained about $75 normally what about that money its profit for google)

our total profit=$100

when banned profit=$0

Google's profit=original ad clicks- (our own clicks on ads)
=$100-$25
=$75

since Google need not pay money for us
suppose let us say that about an average of 5 publishers get banned every day with cases like this(25% illegal clicks,75% legal clicks)


Each day profit for Google=$75*5=$375

then a years profit=375*365
=$136,875

This is enough for Google to give shawn his monthly Google check

This is a sample but google may be earning more than this due to this clicks

also no one knows about whether an adwords publisher will be informed about this click fraud or not as when a webmaster clicks illegally he is doing it only once as another time some other ad will be displayed and not the same ad

ii)I made about $25 from clicking on my own ads but they did not detect it and also In a single day I made $5 by clicking on my ads from Google's search sponsored listings that goes undetected

iii) they seem to detect us only when we click on text links,ads displayed on pages and not on the clicks displayed during search queries


iV)suppose if a site is getting a good amount of traffic they can display CPM ads but some times they display CPM and CPC alternately I have seen many times only $0.01 will accrue in myaccount for 500 page views

as they will not be continously displaying CPM ads they will display CPC ads alternatively also

I am open to suggestion
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Old Oct 13th 2006, 9:36 am
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I dont think that idea applies to all publishers. I know many whom own just a few blogs and are doing fine.

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... I made about $25 from clicking on my own ads ...
Sounds like *you* are the one perpetrating fraud.

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Stop clicking the ads on your own site.
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Old Oct 13th 2006, 9:41 am
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I am not saying all publishers I am just saying the amount of google adsense publishers being banned everyday

In DP we have atleast one adsense member banned everyday and

in whole world?

how amny members will get banned every day?

We should ask for statistics from Google regarding this?

I am not doing this any more illegal clicks ,?I think I made about $15-20 I will see my statistics and tell you?
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Old Oct 13th 2006, 9:44 am
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So lets get this straight...You scammed Google and they are a scam themselves because they didn't catch you yet?
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In DP we have atleast one dishonestadsense member banned everyday and

in whole world?

how many dishonest members will get banned every day?

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no one knows but they all deserve it
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You are the fraud dude... how did you even think people are gonna support you.

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Yeah man, clicking on your own ads and admitting it. Thats bad!

Plus, nobody says you have to use adsense. There are plenty of other programs out there to choose from.
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I think Google's adsense is a fraud Even though I am a staunch supporter of adsense the posts here by DP members make me to believe that Google adsense is a fraud scandal for webmasters who own small to medium sites with hits below 100 a day ,because of the following reasons

i)They do not ban suddenly when they detect a click fraud (They ban only if a person has made more than $10 or more in a single day compared to previous day or when a webmaster reaches $100 in his account,though he may clicked his ads and gained about $75 normally what about that money its profit for google)

our total profit=$100

when banned profit=$0

Google's profit=original ad clicks- (our own clicks on ads)
=$100-$25
=$75

since Google need not pay money for us
suppose let us say that about an average of 5 publishers get banned every day with cases like this(25% illegal clicks,75% legal clicks)


Each day profit for Google=$75*5=$375

then a years profit=375*365
=$136,875

This is enough for Google to give shawn his monthly Google check

This is a sample but google may be earning more than this due to this clicks

also no one knows about whether an adwords publisher will be informed about this click fraud or not as when a webmaster clicks illegally he is doing it only once as another time some other ad will be displayed and not the same ad

ii)I made about $25 from clicking on my own ads but they did not detect it and also In a single day I made $5 by clicking on my ads from Google's search sponsored listings that goes undetected

iii) they seem to detect us only when we click on text links,ads displayed on pages and not on the clicks displayed during search queries


iV)suppose if a site is getting a good amount of traffic they can display CPM ads but some times they display CPM and CPC alternately I have seen many times only $0.01 will accrue in myaccount for 500 page views

as they will not be continously displaying CPM ads they will display CPC ads alternatively also

I am open to suggestion

Fraudias like you waste my money in adwords How long do you think you can continue doing that 1 month 1 year Chor(means theif in hindi )
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Old Oct 13th 2006, 10:00 am
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Let us make it clear I am not supporting myself ,Okay I clicked my ads and at one time I have a abnormal CTR for search queries 314% at the time they should
have banned me but not why?

It would have been recorded as a click in Adwords Publisher account and the publisher would have paid the money for it

If I get banned then what would happen to the money paid by the publisher for the click to Google?

Definitely some one should answer it

But this is true they have no mechanism to clicks on sponsered listings in search queries

That is I inserted a Google search Box in my website and I searched through it and clicked on the sponsored listings displayed during the search

Even after Having an abnormal CTR( search queries) of 314% they have not banned me why?


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Fraudias like you waste my money in adwords How long do you think you can continue doing that 1 month 1 year Chor(means theif in hindi )
If I am a chor Then Google is a BIG chor ,because If a adsense member is banned its profit for Google and its loss for members like you
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Let us make it clear I am not supporting myself ,Okay I clicked my ads and at one time I have a abnormal CTR for search queries 314% at the time they should
have banned me but not why?

It would have been recorded as a click in Adwords Publisher account and the publisher would have paid the money for it

If I get banned then what would happen to the money paid by the publisher for the click to Google?

Definitely some one should answer it

But this is true they have no mechanism to clicks on sponsered listings in search queries

That is I inserted a Google search Box in my website and I searched through it and clicked on the sponsored listings displayed during the search

Even after Having an abnormal CTR( search queries) of 314% they have not banned me why?

Ok let me email this thread to google and then we will see how fast you will be banned You have your sites in your sig right
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Old Oct 13th 2006, 10:11 am
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Yes I say right now I am willing to get banned

I do not retreat from my statement that Google's adsense is a fraud
because Google's adsense is good for some webmasters but for most of others it is very bad

even though they have good hits to their websites

I think for more than 60-80% adsense is bad
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If I am a chor Then Google is a BIG chor ,because If a adsense member is banned its profit for Google and its loss for members like you
Look, you shouldnt be talking so much bologne about adsense/google. Look at you Mr. Fraud, if you dont like adsense, if you are not happy with what they do, then look for some other providers, no one is forcing you to be a publisher.

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Old Oct 13th 2006, 10:21 am
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Google's adsense is good for some webmasters but for most of others it is very bad
not sure "most of others" but i am really happy with Adsense.

and i am getting happier every single month
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I think Google's adsense is a fraud

ii)I made about $25 from clicking on my own ads but they did not detect it and also In a single day I made $5 by clicking on my ads from Google's search sponsored listings that goes undetected
If it weren't for dishonest publishers who cheat the system, the problems you're worried about wouldn't exist. The cheats are doing the fraud, not Google.
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this is easy to fix. don't break TOS and click on your own ads.
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It doesn't make sense for AdSense to ban accounts if they reach $100. If they did that then they would stop making money from that account. Maybe it simply takes time for them to catch up to a fraudulent ad clicker. Maybe they only run their checks at milestones like $100. Especially if that account is an affiliate AdSense account, because that is when they have to send $100 to the affiliate. They wouldn't want to do that if the account was fraudulent.
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