I want to know more about "the religion". So I would know who Jews really are. I believe understanding "the religion" will be the best way to know the Jewish people, their culture, their attitude and their thinking better. So I guess the best to answer me should be the Jews people them self. Lets start it off with this question "is it true that Jews is God's chosen people"?
Cool. So what does that means actually, being the chosen one... Does that gives you any advantage compares to any other human being.. BTW I've invited few other Jews to participate in this thread, but seams none of them have the guts to discuss it openly.. probably because they find interfering in some other people's religion is far better than coming here, wasting their time explaining things that they themself hard to explain..
It would appear so.... I think it means that if given a choice between a jew and say an arab, a persian, a pakistani or some other exotic asian group, most people would chose a jew. Of course what they do with their choice is never certain.
I see.. I guess that is also mentioned clearly in the book, am I right? So what is the actual religion name? Is that actually a religion? And if it's a religion it should have its own God's book. And what is the book called?
So I guess the book has no name, therefore there is no such book, and no real religion.. In that case it must just be the tribe name then.. isn't it? I got to know that Jews is a member of a tribe of Judah. And a Jew is one who has a Jewish mother or one who has formally converted to Judaism. So what is Judaism then..? Is it a religion.. ? But I thought there's no such religion.. So if there's no religion, there should not be any believe in God.. so then, the statement of "Jews is God's chosen people" doesn't make any sense.. isn't it?
I am a fool for even following (let alone posting in) this thread. This discussion is such a waste of time. Firstly, the motive behind this thread is sooo suspect. Second, I doubt CoolAss has any interest sincere discussion on this matter unless it fits his agenda.
Attempt at pretending to actually want to understand more about the thoughts and beliefs of the Jewish people: FAIL.
Well as expected.. same old lame answer.. huh.. it's either you find it hard to believe.. or just can't find the right answers yourself.. No worries take your time, I'll wait...
Well frankly I believe Jews are no difference than any other fellow human beings.. but some Jewish does makes Jews look like some uncivilised group of people..
OK. I didn't really want to but I have nothing better to do. I will not explain you about the very basic principles of the jewish religion from scratch because: 1) I am not a religious person and I find it boring. 2) you do not want to understand "the religion". 3) you do not even know what a "religion" means, or, put differently, in your narrow education, only things that match the Islamic teachings are called "religion", and all the rest are not. 4) you have jewish friends on dozens of other sources, i.e. online, at your disposal, if you really wanted to know. But I doubt it if you ever opened a book in your life other than the quran. jewish book jewish religion. Happy reading. 5) from reading your posts and understanding how you think, you do not have the intellectual capabilities to understand the principles of the jewish religion, because they are so contradictory to the principles you were educated upon. Instead, I would like to stress the main DIFFERENCES between Islam and Judaism, those that if I did believe in god, I would thank him every day for not making me a Muslim. The "slogan" JUDAISM: "שמע ישר×ל, ×”' ××œ×•×”×™× ×• ×”' ×חד" - literally, "listen, people of israel, god is our god, he is one." . This is the main sentence of judaism. talking to the jewish people only. In Hebrew, there are something like 20 synonyms for "god". ISLAM: 1) "Allahu ackbar" - Allah is greater : In comparative case - allah is BETTER (than...). 2) "La Allah illa Allahu" - no god but Allah. A negative sentence. In other words, the main sentence of Islam is "all religions are bullshit but Islam". Islam takes monopoly on god. In Islam god has only 1 name, and only 1 meaning. Islam is all about comparison and negation of all other beliefs. Interpretation layer JUDAISM: "עשה לך רב" - literally, "go find your rabbi" . Meaning: think, think, and think, and then choose the rabbi whose ideaology matches what you believe is right. As a result, there are jews who are convinced that Israel is god's promised land and others who believe that Israel is a crime. ISLAM: TV & Mosque brainwashing achieving a very homogeneous crowd of people who are disencouraged to think for themselves. This is expressing itself pretty well in this forum: if you read coolaz, mattiya, imad, polite teen, dodara and new, you will find very little differences between their opinions. This is unlike the westerns, who are very likely to argue with one another (see pingpong and logicflux). In Islamic societies, one who dares to speak another voice or offer another interpretation, is outcast in the good case, or stoned in the normal case. JUDAISM: There are 613 Rules a jew must obey in order to be a "real" (or- an orthodox) jew. Every one of them is of equal importance as the others, expect for one which is above: "and god gave life - you must keep it = (don't kill)". dozens of different interpretation schools on these 613 law and their interrelations with the jewish holy book. ISLAM: 1. Shahada, 2. Salah, 3. Zakah, 4. Saum, 5. Hajj (for sunnis, shi'a have a few more). That sums up the "wisdom" of Islam, as these are the most important. Very little number of differnt shades of interpretation. Ben laden thinks that Islam should be spread by the force of the sword, most muslims do not agree, but actually from the qur'an, they can't explain why not. Other Religions JUDAISM: All other religions do not get any special attention. Not to the good and not to the worse. As we were the first, this is natural. If you think that Christianity is the 3rd and Islam is the 2nd monotheistic religion, think again. Judaism is the oldest and the only monotheistic religion who survived until Christianity. ISLAM: The main topic of the qur'an, the justification of its appearance, are the "unbelievers". The "unbelievers" are treated before anything else in the qur'an (after god himself). The other religions are part of the definition of the religion: they disobeyed god, so god was furious and sent mohhamed, the "true" and "last" prophet. The hatred of the jewish people stands in its basis as "those who defied god". Or, in the words of Allah himself: "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people." Qur'an (5:51). In Iran, marrying a non Muslim will get you the death penalty. The shari'a and Muslims who follow it see people of other faiths as inhuman, especially those of them who brag that: "they have a lot of jewish friends". One popular interpretation of one of the quran Surahs claim jews to be the sons of apes and pigs, and children are still educated according to this interpreatation example. Islam is teaching that the jewish book was always changed. The jewish book was finalized in 230 BCE, long before Mohammed, before that only single word in 18 locations were altered to give god more "respect". So for mulims, de-facto, it was not changed. Every Muslim I hear keeps repeating this crap brainwashed from the mosque, in accordance with my "homogenouity" of mulims argument. Converts JUDAISM: A jew will NEVER try to convert you. If somebody wants to join Judaism, a very hard process of 2 years of study is required, which many fail to graduate from. Judaism is not for everybody. A minimum level of intellect is a mandatory, however not sufficient, requirement. The other requirement is of course belief. ISLAM: Quran clearly declares that Islam must be spread: "Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His path, and who receive guidance. (Qur'an 16:125)". Islamic world dominance is common to daily life of islamic teachings example, and even Obama is welcome to join (<-warning, not suitable for children). Everybody is welcome to join! The more the merry. Anybody in Britain who want to get a piece of Mohamed and his dangerous cult? no problem! just dial a 1-800 number. The Muslims even have a term for this: they "invite" people to join Islam. The Muslim missionary threads I have seen to far in this forum are repulsive. Religious tolerance JUDAISM: errrr.....*ahm*. ISLAM: errr.... you know the drill guys............. more on the subject. Many mosques are built intentionally exactly where places of worship of other religions exist, most prominently the one in Jerusalem. Islam sees itself to be a "replacement" for the other religions, and not something that can co-exist with them. From reading your posts so far coolaz and this thread, this describes you as well. Blood JUDAISM: Blood is perceived as an impure thing. Couples are not allowed to have sex during their period and 12 days afterward, to make sure that all the blood is gone. Beef and Chicken are not kosher is a certain amount of blood exist. ISLAM: It is very common to find pictures of smashed body parts in the arab media and newspapers. Things that in the civilized world can not even be imagined. Afterlife, heaven and hell JUDAISM: Hell and Heaven are not well defined[sup]source,source[/sup]. "Heaven" is basically feeling of joy, Hell is a feeling of pain and shame. The purpose of behaving accord to the 613 laws of Judaism is not to gain a comfortable VIP seat in the next life, but to be a good person in this life. To contribute to all of mankind in this life. ISLAM: Believing in heaven & hell is one of the pillars of Islam. The life on this planet is only a stage for eternity. Pleasing "god", even if this would mean to justify the murder of you own mother, is a natural and acceptable thing. Suicide bombers are convinced that they will receive 72 virgins in heaven (women get nothing, on the other hand). Death And Sacrifice JUDAISM: Human life is the most valuable of all. Jewish and non-jewish. Even Nazi Germany did not suffer for a wave of jewish suicide bombings. Under all circumstances: Suicide is a HUGE sin. One who commits suicide is burried outside of the cemetary in order not to "disgrace" those who are burried within. ISLAM: The death has become a high value to persuit Example2 example1. Children are educated to seek death example 1 example 2 The streets of Gaza are named after people who went on a mission of murder while killing themselves, and in case they succeed, parties are thrown in the city. Intellectual Work JUDAISM: The amount of jewish writings in the recent 4000 years encompass science, philosophy, theology, is uncomparable with the very poor amounts of Islamic writings. Even in the darkest times of the middle ages, the jews were always the most literate people in their communities, whever that would be. For exactly this reason, after the Muslims deported them for spain, the Turkish were very glad to accept them in Palestine: people who are educated, can read and write, are good for administrative purposes. This is how the first jewish groups in palestine were forced, marking the beginning of zionism: return home. ISLAM: A big % of the 1.3 billion muslims can not read and write (in Egypt - 50%). There are 8.39 wikipedia articles in Hebrew per 1000 persons, vs. 0.006 in Arabic, 0.02 in Farsi, 0.03 in Turkish [sup]source[/sup] Islam sums up with the quran and sunnah. you must pray 5 times a day and also manage to work - not a lot of time is left for you spiritual studies, and these - such as mathematics, philosophy, and physics, are surely not encouraged by the governments. Basic human honesty JUDAISM: Will gladly talk about anything, especially about own beliefs and traditions. Although I'm not a believers, I represent my people in this post. ISLAM: Will never talk about Islam. Its easier to talk about the zionists, judaism, the origin of christmas, etc'. I have asked Muslims here a lot of questions and if I get an answer it is always one answer: "god is great" and "you should read the qur'an", namely, never a real answer. When you see Islamic videos on youtube, religious or political, 80% of the comments are: "Masha allah" and "allahu ackbar". These two encompass all of Islam, and leave no place for anything else, and there isn't. Interpersonal relations JUDAISM: Democracy, tolerance to different: being gay is forbidden, but it is not punished. Alcohol consumption is not encouraged, but not discouraged. In holy days, a little bit of wine is considered to be a good thing. But its something of choice. ISLAM: Islam in its essence is a non-democratic religion. In a very interesting essay by a UK cleric that I read he said that "I have no doubt that democracy is antithical to Islam." source. In fact, most of the Muslim nations (except turkey and maybe 1 or 2 more) are not democratic - because of Islam and only because of Islam. Gay people are hunted and executed in most countries of Islam. The most "forgiving" one is actually being egypt - where they get 2 years of imprisonment with special qur'an lessons for rehabilitation. A person is not even free to choose if he would like to have a beer, or not. I grew up near the largest arab city in Israel, Nazareth. Cars full with arabs who park in the pathways of the cities just for drinking beer without the chance of getting caught by their parents was a common sight, and still is. Science & Technology JUDAISM: The jews have earned more nobel prizes per capita than any other religion, Israel is the country with the highest numbers of scientists per capita in the world. The are more Israeli companies listed on the NASDAQ than German & French combined. The rate of scientific publications in Israel per capita is 7 times higher than in Kuwait, the world's 4th richest country. ISLAM: Very important contributions were made between the 8th until the 13th century (= the golden age of Islam). Since then, the downfall has started. 99% of the Muslim scientists who are active today and in the last 140 years: work for western affiliations after fleeing from their primitive countries. Women JUDAISM: "והיתה לך כעזר × ×’×“×š" - "and she is the basis on which you (the man) stand". All religions, being written my men, discriminate women. In judaism that sums up to not being allowed to rule on religious matters, and praying separately. In more orthodox circles, the hair must be hidden (not the face), and not mixed dancing and touching. Women are free to do whatever they want with their bodies & lives. ISLAM: The qur'an clearly permits the beating of women, and disgustingly force 12 y/o women to marry 50 year old men (but not the other way around). In Jordan, one of the most "advanced" Islamic nations, it is perfectly legal to murder your wife if you suspect she is having an adultery. The maximal punishment in that case by law is 6 months, in Egypt you get a medal. In Saudi Arabia women are not allowed to drive. In Iran a woman who marries without the permission of her father gets 10 years in prison. "God's chosen people" is something that stands in the Torah. but as you can understand, we see our holy book pretty much different than how you see yours. We prefer to call ourselves "the people of the book". And in light of the above, I can't not think of something more ridiculous than the fact that Muslims consider Islam, originally and nothing more but the religion of "submission", as the religion of "peace".
You sure you couldn't have made your above post to be more Muslim-attacking? Wow...lol. You don't have to blame all Muslims of what one group believes in. I'm not gonna write a whole 1000 word essay, but mentioning the exact groups of Muslims performing such actions would be appreciated. I hope you don't write the next post attacking me, lol. No offence to anyone who got offended. -Thanks
Just thought of voicing my opinion. I'm not going to comment on any of your bad remarks towards Islam, since this thread was not meant for such. Clearly noticeable.. I don't think by bashing others when you fail to learn yourself is the right way. I don't think coolaz did any wrong by asking from fellow forum members for an answers Yes there are differences between different religions, that is well known and respected. But I don't think that was his main intention. Anyway, I notice from all your previous posts, you really like to misjudge other people as and whenever you wish. Is that you norm attitude? Hmm learning something new. So in other words there are BAD Jews and there are GOOD Jews. So which one are you in, if I may ask? Does that mean the one who kills innocent people and seizing lands in Palestine are the BAD Jews? So what have the GOOD Jews done to stop this (I believe) small number of BAD Jews from proceeding further? You (as I believe) being a GOOD Jews should have been hand in hand with the rest of the world to condemn those BAD Jews from tarnishing the image of Jews all around the world. If many of your people do so, I believe this world would have been a better place. Muslims never believe that you're the first, it's just not stated in the Holy Quran. So do you think we're wrong. Then what makes you believes that you're right? Seams that, from your explanation, God doesn't seams to be fair to the rest of other people in this world. Then what happen to all other people who failed to graduate. Are they, the cursed one? And if Judaism is not for everyone, does that means, we all are doomed, and hell is our place for sure. You scares me man. I would accept that as a big YES then Seams similar to Islam and any other religion that we all know off, so what so special about yours then. BTW, I believe many educated forum member here understands the difference between culture, tradition and the religion. The one you referred as being the Islamic way FYI is nothing to do with the Islamic teaching. Similarly to the killings of innocents by your BAD Jews, surely doesn't represents the true teaching of Judaism. Does that means any Jews can do BAD, BAD things and yet nothing happens? What will be the outcome for a Jewish that do BAD things? Will they be pulled away from the community or will their Jews status be revoked or are there any such punishment for such. I wonder who actually kills the innocent people of Palestine then Good info, I'll need to do more research on that, thanks BTW Good I'm sure you're trying your best to be one.. Hmmm... Well that doesn't means anything. Just to highlight the number of white collar crimes that were done by Jews is also high. So your statement doesn't carry any weight. Not that I do not want to accept the fact. I definitely do, but looking on the BAD site. I believe Jews have done both, equally balanced. Well.. your women surely looks gorgeous. Well thank you for your explanations. Sorry I can't see the fairness in it. The God you describe does not shows the true God in the spirit of the most merciful, the most gracious, the most equitable. Any mentally stable person would not agree with you either. Anyway no offense yea, since I'm learning, let me know if any of my comments were wrongly judge.
Of course that I made some very non-cautious generalizations. I hope you know pretty well who were I referring too, and correct me if i'm mistaken: 1) they DO NOT constitute a negiligible minority of the world's Muslims as you just indirectly suggest in your post 2) most of them will not even consider you to be a "real" Muslim. At least not millions of Saudis who grew up with shows like this on TV when they were children. Notice that Bismallah is a "real" muslim, I guess the commentator would consider you not to be a "real" one. This children was broadcast on a Saudi TV network called Iqraa TV, whose vision is: Penyiasat, you got a bit confused by what I said in the previous post. I have a Swiss friend from the couple of years I lived in Switzerland visiting me this week, we go now touch history at our fingertips in this remarkable place. Life as a self-employed webmaster is just great, isn't it We must start moving before it will become too hot. Later in the evening I will try to draw your attention to where you got lost/confused/wrong. This mainly involved mixing facts with fiction and projecting it into a religious context. It would be nice in the meanwhile you address the "bad remarks" I made about Islam, that is, if you can say something better than "it does not represent Islam", because it does. In particularly the theological differences I pointed out at the beginning which you conveniently ignored, as expected, start with the "slogan", converts, and "other religions".
In all honesty, to understand Judaism you should first study Hinduism; the Egyptian religions, what predates them, and the Mystery schools. We're all the same. The true Jew is the true follower of God; but seeing as how every religion is incorrect as no human can possibly fathom the true light of God, a true Jew can be Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, so on and so forth. I've been obsessed with religious study (the faiths much more than institutions) since I was 12 and saw 9/11 happen...I needed to find the answers as to why people would do that just because they're a different religion.... ...Then I realized that wasn't what happened, and the truth became instantly clear. I can discuss this at length, and would love to, but that requires an open mindedness from others that's very rare online. Hope Digitalpoint is the place for this
I would like to hear your opinion, but please prove it and base it on credible facts so it would be interested.