my brain hurts ... i've been seo'ing this site for a while now, and enjoyed #1 on yahoo/msn/google for a while now. they only questionable tactic i use is that this site is enrolled in coop. other than that .. it's clean. i had weight fallout in coop, and while i got it mostly fixed in a week, it's literally not in the index at all anymore. should i just ride it out? still #1 on msn and yahoo. why does google hate my site? http://www.globalcellularrental.com/ term - satellite phone rental (among several others ... this is the best term) here is a snapshot from the DP tools - i can't find the site anywhere on G.
Seems since the new coop image tag, my sites are being suddenly delisted too. I've seen lot's of reports of delisting suddenly. This may be a coincidence, but it's too conincidental to ignore. Something changed in the coop and now our sites SE positions are changing drastically. I can't prove it, but it's the only thing that changed on my sites.
yeah .. most disturbing. IF ... (naysayers ... i said IF) ... If the image tag is the issue, it's a shame as it was warned and goes to show that in this biz, no amount of paranoia is too much.
IF that is the case then I can expect all my CJ linked pages and sites to be dropped soon as well... I doubt that's the case.
You can not compare the COOP to any other commercial ad network, that is not an acceptable comparision. The COOP has no established history and I don't think Shawn is sending people to do lunch over at google to make a business arrangement. I'm certain that CJ does though. Let's stay in perspective here.
I Agree 120% ... many here don't though. Most ad servers serve ads in JS ... it keeps it from becoming content.
Thank you. This is not to be labeled and dismissed as nay saying either. This is not a new issue and many folks have checked in on it saying it may be a problem. We have to evaulate if that tag is a coincidence in the delistings or not though in all fairness. I took a 50% weight hit and about a 65% weight hit on my other site since the new image. Plus a search appears to show my listings being scrapped.
yeah ... but for every post from these folks (and I am one) you get 5 or 6 from the "DP can do no wrong" crowd. this type of flagrant butt kissing doesn't do you, me, shawn or anyone else any good.
A 90% drop in my referals ( ) seem to suggest turmoil of some sort. Not jumping the conclusions as to whether this is 'normal' API flux or other shite...
Well someone better listen. Before this actually seemed to happen quite a few folks I tried to recruit to the coop said they heard this or that and would not join. Some facts need to be established, not theory. I'm keeping mine, however not blindly, I will question this coincidence. I'd like a good explaination for the basis of the theories presented from either side as well, not your blind loyalty.
Well, unless a search engine starts masquerading and cloaking their user agent, the img isn't going to show up anyway. The image is designed to log end user impressions and not automated processes. Because of that, unless they have a user agent that looks like an end user, the img tag doesn't show in the page source to begin with.
so when google grabs the page it doesn't write this to the link area? img src="http://ads.digitalpoint.com/t-226-30298-9736-30298-24705.gif" width="1" height="1"
Correct... the img is only displayed if they have a specific user agent (currently MSIE, Opera, Firefox, Safari or Netscape). The image tag was designed to log real user impressions, not search engine bots (or other automated processes).
interesting ... but wouldn't this qualify as cloaking? i do understand there are good reasons to do it.
So you should be able to verify this by examining the source code of the latest cache of a co-op displaying page I guess (for those interested).
I don't think so... you aren't hiding it from search engines, you are only displaying it to certain users (ones with a browser that has the ability to use it). If that was cloaking then every vBulletin forum installation cloaks. the DHTML menus and code for example only shows to browsers that can utilize it. Look at Google's cache of a vBulletin forum to see what I mean (the DHTML is gone and the navigation is different).
Also, if displaying something extra based on user agent is cloaking, Google cloaks on their main page. If you are a Windows user without the toolbar installed, you may see a message to install it. Or if you are a Windows user without the desktop app installed, you will see something about that as well. Check Google's cache for the same page and it's not there (and Mac users don't see it either).
in theory, it would be one way for a search engine to clearly define a page using the co-op; if they wanted to deliberately seperate these sites, correct? although it sounds a bit farfetched...