Right... On mcdar's wonderful tool, I can see compare my site for using framesets. Here is a direct Link: http://www.mcdar.com/KEYWORDTOOL/ke...thin_your_website.htm&keyword=using framesets what can i do to push it up another place? Do i need more links like this - using framesets ? becuase the only difference i can see, is that the site above me have more Yahoo links? Thanks THT