Plurals in keywords - how do they work?

Discussion in 'Keywords' started by PokerDIY, Jun 16, 2008.

  1. #1
    Hello,

    I am trying to optimize my poker site and have a question about keywords:

    All the guides recommend using around 10 keywords per page and to avoid keyword stuffing. If I take my home page as an example, I currently use the following keywords:

    "poker leagues,poker league,poker games,poker game,find poker,home poker,manage poker league,poker videos,poker galleries,live poker,local poker,poker league software,join poker,poker groups,homepoker,online poker league,start poker,host poker,poker leauges,poker legues,find THNL"

    1) Is this keyword stuffing as I use "Poker League" and then "Poker Game" (should I use "Poker League,Game" instead? Does the search engine know that "game" is in the context of the main keyword ("poker"?).

    2) How do plurals work? Do I have to put
    "poker league,poker leagues" in case someone types either of these into Google? Or should I use the smallest set which is "poker league" which exists in both of my keywords and would trap "poker leagues" too?

    3) How do repeated keywords work? For example, I want to have "find poker" (incidentally, PokerDIY ranks number 1 in the world for this phrase). I then have a legitimate reason to use "find poker games,find poker groups,find poker leagues" - but is that keyword stuffing? How should I do it?

    4) I am assuming that a keyword (as in, have 10 keywords) is 10 phrases - or is it single words only? I hardly ever use single words.

    I'd appreciate any help on the above...
     
    PokerDIY, Jun 16, 2008 IP
  2. PokerDIY

    PokerDIY Well-Known Member

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    #2
    Somebody must have an idea about this?
     
    PokerDIY, Jun 17, 2008 IP
  3. Australianfranchises

    Australianfranchises Peon

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    #3
    i am also waiting for reply.....:)
     
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  4. dcristo

    dcristo Illustrious Member

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    #4
    Are you referring to meta keywords, or the keywords you target on the page?
     
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    PokerDIY Well-Known Member

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    #5
    Meta keywords in the page.
     
    PokerDIY, Jun 20, 2008 IP
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    dcristo Illustrious Member

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    #6
    Google doesn't even look at meta keywords nowadays.
     
    dcristo, Jun 20, 2008 IP
  7. PokerDIY

    PokerDIY Well-Known Member

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    #7
    Ok, humor me then please - any idea to the answer of my question?
     
    PokerDIY, Jun 20, 2008 IP
  8. dcristo

    dcristo Illustrious Member

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    #8
    dude i wasnt being funny :rolleyes: meta description and title is what is important
     
    dcristo, Jun 20, 2008 IP
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    PokerDIY Well-Known Member

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    #9
    I know, I didn't think you were joking, but my question was not "Do they matter", it was how do plurals work. I really want to know the answer to my specific questions.
     
    PokerDIY, Jun 20, 2008 IP
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    dcristo Illustrious Member

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    #10
    Plurals usually get more searches. My answer would be target both versions. But not in the meta keywords!
     
    dcristo, Jun 20, 2008 IP
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    #11
    meta description and title is what is important:)
     
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    #12
    At All? Is this absolute fact?
     
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    PokerDIY Well-Known Member

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    #13
    There seems to be some confusion as to what my question is. It is not "Do keywords count" or "are keywords used by Google", it is infact the original 4 points I labeled at the very top of this thread. If you can't contribute to these 4 points please do not clog up this thread - I appreciate that you are one smart guy and you want to show off your knowledge about the SEO industry, but at the end of the day all I care about is the answer to my post, or I would not have asked it.

    I have asked this on other forums and it's been far more forthcoming.
     
    PokerDIY, Jun 21, 2008 IP
  14. dcristo

    dcristo Illustrious Member

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    #14
    STFU and appreciate the advice you get. If meta keywords are insignificant, your questions become just that.
     
    dcristo, Jun 21, 2008 IP
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    PokerDIY Well-Known Member

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    #15
    You've missed the point.

    My questions have been answered on other another forum. Close/delete or lock this thread as it's not helpful.
     
    PokerDIY, Jun 21, 2008 IP
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    #16
    Now that your questions are answered in another forum can you give us the answers?
     
    prs, Jun 22, 2008 IP
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    PokerDIY Well-Known Member

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    This was the reply I received:

    This is a very recent post from SEOmoz that is a pretty good guide for keywords: http://www.seomoz.org/blog/tactical-seo-how-many-termsphrases-should-i-target-on-a-single-page

    Your question was about the keywords for your homepage, and I agree that it is difficult - becuase for your home page you want to rank for all your main terms. Whereas an internal page, will only have a small number of terms that you need to rank for.

    So, what to do on a home page? If you put lots of different terms then the page becomes diluted, and doesnt rank as well. Thats probably where the "10 keywords per page comes in" - the more targetted your page is, the easier it is for Google et al to know what the page is about.

    So the first thing I would suggest is to cut down on your list of terms - but for every term you cut, make sure that there is another strong page that will target that term specifically. Then use the keyword style described by SEOmoz for the remaining terms: eg instead of poker this, poker that, poker home, poker league - make it more like real english. And put it in your meta description, not your meta keywords :)
     
    PokerDIY, Jun 22, 2008 IP
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    dcristo Illustrious Member

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    #18
    Thanks for reiterating what was said in this thread :)
     
    dcristo, Jun 22, 2008 IP