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Discussion in 'ODP / DMOZ' started by ZachH, Sep 10, 2005.

  1. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #21
    All good advice. But that said, this is still my primary beef with DMOZ:

    And before everyone jumps in, yes, I've heard all the official reasons why even generic automated feedback will never happen and, no, I have no illusions that it ever will be implemented, but every time I see this I can't help but think that 90% of the complaints about DMOZ would disappear overnight if this issue were resolved.

    Then we'd just have the other issue about lack of relevancy :eek:
     
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  2. Alucard

    Alucard Peon

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    #22
    And then we just have the issue of finding something on a comparative scale that has more relevancy. :eek:
     
    Alucard, Sep 22, 2005 IP
  3. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #23
    I think I shall call it "Google" :D
     
    minstrel, Sep 22, 2005 IP
  4. Alucard

    Alucard Peon

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    #24
    LOL Very funny!
     
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    NetMidWest Peon

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    #25
    Relevancy is only relevant to those who find it. - Lawrence Hougland, NetMidWest
     
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    Old Welsh Guy Notable Member

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    #26
    Dmoz has a lot to put up with though, MOST of the stuff that is submitted is not acceptable, be it spam, or just crap. Then they have to put up with 'bait and switch' tactics, where the content is changed on a site already in the index. It is a massive ship that is truggling to keep afloat for a variety of reasons.
     
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  7. Alucard

    Alucard Peon

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    #27
    OK, I'll bite. People love to criticise the ODP using a single data point, so let me see how I can do. I picked a town at random - Plmouth in Devon in England. I want to find websites for Bed and Breakfast establishments there. I don't want booking sites - I actually want to get in touch with the places themselves.

    So I navigate to http://dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/Uni..._and_Tourism/Accommodation/Bed_and_Breakfast/ and I find 11 listings, all of which function, take me to the place advertised, and all are for B&Bs in Plymouth, Devon. I'd say that was 100% relevant. Does it have EVERY B&B in the place? No. But those that are listed are at least real sites.

    I go to Google and type in "bed and breakfast plymouth devon" (without the quotes) and I get 404,000 answers. Most are for booking agencies, or directories across Devon. I have to page down to page 2 before I find the first one. I have to do a lot more work to find what I want. Definitely less than a 100% rate.

    Now, I'm sure each person's idea of relevancy is different, and I am sure that each person could probably find areas where Google does better than the ODP. But I am just trying to make the point that blanket statements tend to mask that it's "horses for courses", as the british say.
     
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    macdesign Peon

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    #28
    Welsh Rugby in Google gives 1,930,000 results

    In DMOZ, a search gives five categories or 30 sites - in this case it's best to start at the categories

    Two of the categories look promising

    Sports: Football: Rugby Union: Regional: Wales which has 73 sites spread over two sub-cats.

    Regional: Europe: United Kingdom: Wales: Recreation and Sports: Rugby
    which has 55 sites spread over several sub-categories.

    Maybe not all the sites on Welsh Rugby - but it sure beats going through two million trying to find what you want.

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    Now if we search for welsh rugby forum then Google gives 1,910,000 results

    and DMOZ give us just the one and only best site on the subject



    (I used to play middle of the back, but not in Wales)
     
    macdesign, Sep 22, 2005 IP
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    Old Welsh Guy Notable Member

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    #29
    The Dmoz resource on rugby is one of the best in the world I have to say.

    nice call to get me onside macdesign lol
     
    Old Welsh Guy, Sep 22, 2005 IP
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    boohlick Banned

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    #30
    Try to email the editior of the main root of category, email not just one of the editors that you know related to the category that you have submitted to :)
     
    boohlick, Sep 23, 2005 IP
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    Alucard Peon

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    #31
    Be aware that due to a large number of horrible experiences (sometimes culminating in death threats) most editors will not reply to email they get sent, nor will they use it to expedite a site review.

    There really isn't anything you can do to make an editor do something with your site. The only advice is to maintain the content on site, or improve it, and wait.
     
    Alucard, Sep 23, 2005 IP
  12. Julia-IT-Inventors

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    #32
    well.....my site was submitted to DMOZ in January 2003 for the first time...no response...then in December 2003...no response...then I tried once 6-7 months - still no response. The last time I submited it was August 2005, at the same time with one of our clients' site. Guess what? Right, the client's site was included in 2 weeks, for my site - no response. But I will keep on trying :)

    P.S. I submited it into appropriate category according to the guidelines. My site is for web design company, so no offensive, adult and so on content.
     
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    Old Welsh Guy Notable Member

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    #33
    Were both sites in the same category? You have to appreciate the sheer volume of numbers of submissions.
     
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    Alucard Peon

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    #34
    Julia - you keep mentioning that you didn't get a response - were you expecting one? The ODP does not send out any response to the suggestions that it receives.
     
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    Aok Peon

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    #35
    I have been just as frustrated
     
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    #36
    Anyone wanna start their own directory and call it BMOZ? lol
     
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  17. Julia-IT-Inventors

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    #37
    Alucard

    response - I meant my site's inclusion. I know that they didn't answer.
    In the very beginning I even placed DMOZ's search box on my site hoping that will help me :) :) :)

    Old Welsh Guy

    no, the sites are of absolutely different themes
     
    Julia-IT-Inventors, Sep 24, 2005 IP
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    Old Welsh Guy Notable Member

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    #38
    If the sites were in totally different categories, then there is absolutely no point in making comparisons in the length of time it takes to get accepted. They will have a totally different editor hierachy.
     
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    The Webmaster IdeasOfOne

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    #39
    why all this fuss about DMOZ? if you are not happy with their working style then forget about it.
    I have learnt from my experience- Submit your site to DMOZ and forget about it.
    As the OWG said if you done it right sooner or later you'll get accepted, and if not then again forget about it.
    as simple as that.
     
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    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #40
    Yes. Period.

    Dig OWG really say that? I don't think that's necessarily true...
     
    minstrel, Sep 28, 2005 IP