Is PageRank really that important?

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  1. ragamuffin

    ragamuffin Guest

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    #41
    Only google knows. Nobody outside google can say with credibility about the value of PageRank.

    To say it is importand or not is pure guessing.
     
    ragamuffin, Feb 23, 2007 IP
  2. bobby9101

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    #42
    ^^^ what he said ^^^
     
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  3. master06

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    #43
    if you sell text link or you have directory pagerank is very important factor for your otherwise pagerank is not very important but also important for serp.
     
    master06, Feb 23, 2007 IP
  4. visio

    visio Well-Known Member

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    #44
    If car lovers can tell what type of engine a car is running just by seeing the car run then seo can tell whether toolbar PR has any effect on rankings. And the answer is it doesn't. How do I know? Well because if it did Google would be totally messed up right now. And because I can outrank a high PR site anyday of the week with a PR1-2. Easy as pie. toolbar pr means nothing.
     
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  5. mvandemar

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    #45
    No, they aren't "totally different". The only difference is that the TBPR is from a given date other than today. On the majority of sites PageRank does not fluctuate that much from one day to the next. If you know what to look for it still has meaning, just not in the way that you are thinking about it. I told you this before, it's not the linear "Higher PageRank pages will outrank lower PageRank ones" concept. That is an overly simplistic way of looking at it. It's not the PageRank of the page, it's where that PageRank comes from. It's the PageRank of the pages linking to you with the correct anchor text that comes into play.

    If your site is about [payday loans], and some guy links to you from their PR7 blog with the anchor text [this guy is a dork], then even though it might drive your site up to be a PR6, of course it won't help you rank for [payday loans]. But if you did happen to have those terms on your page, then yes, it would help you rank for [dork guy], and the fact that it was coming from a PR7 page means it would (in general, I know there are exceptions) help you more than someone else linking with the same anchor text from a PR3 blog.

    And if you don't believe me, test it for yourself. Set up 2 pages on 2 different websites for the same low to medium competition phrase. Point 10 PR0/PR1 links with the identical anchor text at one, and 10 PR3 links at the other. Don't link to either page from the rest of the sites where you put them (make them abandoned pages). See which ranks higher.

    -Michael
     
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  6. SeoVeteran33

    SeoVeteran33 Well-Known Member

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    #46
    "Is Page Rank important?"

    No, of course not
     
    SeoVeteran33, Feb 23, 2007 IP
  7. TheMags

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    #47
    That is a good explanation and mostly consistent with my own observations.
     
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  8. visio

    visio Well-Known Member

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    #48
    They obviously are two different things or Google wouldn't say "...Gives an indication of the PageRankâ„¢ for the page you're currently viewing." - it would instead say gives the value not indicator...

    FROM A GOOGLE REP:
    "The PageRank that is displayed in the Google Toolbar is for
    entertainment purposes only. Due to repeated attempts by hackers to
    access this data, Google updates the PageRank data very infrequently
    because is it not secure. On average, the PR that is displayed in the
    Google Toolbar is several months old. If the toolbar is showing a PR of
    zero, this is because the user is visiting a new URL that hasn't been
    updated in the last update. The PR that is displayed by the Google
    Toolbar is not the same PR that is used to rank the webpage results so
    there is no need to be concerned if your PR is displayed as zero.
    If a
    site is showing up in the search results, it doesn't not have a real PR
    of zero, the Toolbar is just out of date"

    Source: http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/showthread.php?t=3054
    And you like to believe google don't you?

    ADDED: Email Google and ask them how to increase PR. If they answer it will be this reply.
     
    visio, Feb 23, 2007 IP
  9. BIG Mike

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    #49
    As others have mentioned, PR is vital if you’re selling site or links, but in the big scheme of things it’s not something anyone should be focusing on specifically.

    If you’re making the effort to work on off page SEO (link exchanges for example) and doing it naturally, PR will take care of itself over time the way it was intended to do. Trying to take shortcuts to artificially skew PR for your sites will cause more problems in the long run than it solves.

    Patience is the watchword of the day when it comes to PR ;)
     
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  10. mvandemar

    mvandemar Notable Member

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    #50
    Ok, first, stfu. This is what you said yesterday:

    So you say "don't trust Google" when it suits you, then point what they said a few posts later as "proof" of what you are trying to say. Obviously, you just like to argue and try and insult people. Please stop. So far you haven't added anything constructive to any of those threads.

    Either way, the problem you appear to be having (aside from arguing just because you think it makes you look better, which it doesn't) isn't with the source of the information, it is with the English language. "Out of date" and "totally different" are not in any way, shape, or form the same thing. I said "The only difference is that the TBPR is from a given date other than today". Your reply, that you intended to make my post look wrong, in no way contradicts that, nor does it change the facts of anything I said.

    -Michael
     
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  11. theARTeffect

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    #51
    Joe had it right...

    Depends on what the goals for your site are. If you want to attract visitors and sell things, then your position in the search engines is more important. If you want to sell links, link buyers are usually obsessed with page rank.

    Art
     
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  12. visio

    visio Well-Known Member

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    #52
    You have to use your brain as well. Like I said you trust Google so this should be good enough for you. Google has nothing to gain here by saying either way.
    If you think I look foolish thats fine. Reminds me of the story of the emperors new clothes though.
     
    visio, Feb 23, 2007 IP
  13. theseokit

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    #53
    IMHO, page rank really means nothing unless your basing a business around selling links. Page rank is just a easy way consumers and not to smart at SEO people can see if they want to spend money on a link. It does make you look good though having a 5-10!
     
    theseokit, Feb 23, 2007 IP
  14. The Stealthy One

    The Stealthy One Well-Known Member Affiliate Manager

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    #54
    Once again, you are wrong. :)
     
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  15. JonasJohan

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    #55
    I think is not important but people still judge sites by it a lot
     
    JonasJohan, Feb 23, 2007 IP
  16. The Stealthy One

    The Stealthy One Well-Known Member Affiliate Manager

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    #56
    It is very important. I will explain once more. :) Toolbar PageRank is different from (though a reflection of) the actual PageRank that Google uses to determine your site's importance. PageRank encompasses everything -- backlinks, quality of content, age of domain, etc.
     
    The Stealthy One, Feb 23, 2007 IP
  17. mvandemar

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    #57
    Mmm... that's actually not right. Rankings are based on all of that, but PageRank, the patented Google factor, then one that the toolbar shows a rounded off snapshot of from a given date, that's just links. The formula was published ages ago and that's the only variable. There is more than just PageRank that goes into Rankings, but links are the only factor to PageRank. Well, aside from the "OMG They Banned My Site, You Bastards" factor, but that's more of a wildcard thing. :D

    Edit: Found it. The original paper. Here's the excerpt:

    -Michael
     
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  18. jaguar-archie2006

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    #58
    But it is consider a good help when it comes for some link building strategy. As important google toys. IMO
     
    jaguar-archie2006, Feb 24, 2007 IP
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    #59
    Im a newbie in terms of SEO things but, all i know is that page rank is the amount or the level of importance of a page. Some website owners are complaining that even they got the high page rank still their pages doesn't show-up on SERP. My theory is that the keywords they are trying to target needs more adjustment accordingly with their content. I still believe on Page Rank.
     
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  20. Gareth_Boyd

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    #60
    NOOOOOOOOOO

    Pagerank is not important now. Used to be if you had a high PR you would rank higher on Google, but now its nothing. Most people just use the PR to sell off links, so others can get a higher PR to sell links.

    Don't bother with it.
     
    Gareth_Boyd, Feb 24, 2007 IP