Hi I have new site about mesothelioma http://www.webinfo-mesothelioma.com/ My site is indexed but nowhere in search results i according to msn i have 125 backlinks and rapidly increasing(working a lot on promotion) Is there some way to get out of sandbox quicker, How long new websites are in sadbox -anyone with experience.
Three to six months on average. On rare cases you would see a year, but the newer sites I establish show before that. What can help is if the domain was previously indexed and you register it sometimes you can avoid the sandbox.
You'll have a long wait before you should even expect to start ranking for a site that has so much competition. I won't say it is impossible, but you're going to need to do a lot of work. Thousands of people made meso sites based on those bogus stories about $100 clicks.
If the domain has expired, google treats it as a brand new domain when it is registered. The only way to avoid the sandbox is if you buy an established site. The sandbox doesn't apply to all keywords, only the competitive ones you want to rank for.
I seriously doubt that the "sandbox" effect will have anything to do with the SERP rankings of that site. It will take some serious backlinks from reputable sites before you will see anything. More than likely, until you get some STRONG backlinks no matter how much promotion you do, it'll set at the bottom. For a topic like Mesothelioma you will need to establish your site as an authority, which does not happen with a month old domain.
What if he got link back from sites of pr > 5, and possibly some Academic sites, or sites that have been around for a long while, would the sand box be a lot less then (closer to the 3 months) ? (Obviously I’m asking for my self as well)
mpea, I don't believe in the 'sandbox' so I'm probably the wrong person to ask. I have yet to experience a "sandbox" effect with any of my sites. However, in terms of your questions, what keywords are you shooting for in Google? Do that search, look at first page of results. Check and see how many and where the backlinks are coming from for those sites. That will give you an idea of what's required. Also, check the results from the Yahoo! site explorer, not just the backlinks with google.
Ya I should be able get to about position 4 or 5 in Google for most of my keyword since I’m linked from a few good sites, however Google hasn’t yet picked up my Pr (it should be between 4/5 which is the same as my top ranked competitors) and my area's quite competitive, however I am coming from a niche side of things -its annoying, i don’t like posting things in full up here, just in case competitors read and then use the same strategy... so its often hard to explain fully
For a site about mesothelioma, you're going to need thousands of backlinks, and hundreds of them being very strong.
The sandbox exits, and this was confirmed by google itself - they just don't call it the sandbox. There is absolutely nothing you can do to speed up getting out of the sandbox. not even if CNN links to you on their home page. It an automatic filter that doesn't factor in backlinks based on the age of your domain. It doesn't prevent you from ranking, but without backlinks being factored in, it makes it almost impossible for any competitive keyword. Your backlinks will show, PR will pass, they just aren't used when the calculate SERPS.
I think you are mistaken. The age of you domain alone will work against you even when you are out of the sandbox since they are a lot of domains that predate yours. Domain age is very important to google (look at the average age of top ranking domains for highly competitive keywords, you'll see a lot, if not all 1990's domains taking those spots even though there are other sites with higher PR and more backlinks). PR is factored in as soon as google finds the backlinks - so that has already been done on your site. The toolbar hasn't updated, but that is a look at the past. When you see PR in the toolbar, your rankings won't changed because those links were already factored in. PR, in itself, is useless for ranking. You can have a PR2 site outrank a PR8 site. What matters is the relevance of those backlinks. If you want to sell links on your site, getting a high PR helps because there are a lot of people who are under the false impression that a high PR is going to help you rank higher. It only helps IF those are relevant backlinks - the type of backlink is also very important (anchor text, placement position, what type of page is it on, if the link is reciprocated, if google thinks it is a paid backlink, etc). The google algorithm uses many (maybe even 100) different factors for rankings. Backlinks, domain name and age, are probably the most important, but still only a few parts of a large algorithm.
PR has absolutely nothing to do with it. The search rankings you are experiencing now will be the same rankings you will receive tomorrow, if they were to do a toolbar PR update tonight. Your PR is constantly changing/updating everyday, you just find out when they roll it out to the toolbar. I think you missed the point of what I posted.
There are some sites that go completely avoid the sandbox, but in general what you would need would be an internet phenomena. This is actually easier to accomplish then you might think. For example, if you were to actually cure mesothelioma, publish how on your website, get written up by the New England Journal of Medicine, have the story carried by the New York Times, Rolling Stone, CNN, Fox News, and Playboy, I'm sure you would have no problem whatsoever ranking #1 for that term. I'm not saying that's the only method, mind you... just think big, and be creative. Start with overkill that you know will work, then go backwards from there, compromising a little at a time, see what you end up with. One of the biggest problems people have today is they are gun shy to use their own imaginations to come up with new ideas. They only want to stick with what others have done before them. The problem with that is once an idea or concept that works gets out, it gets way overdone. Look at this guy, he managed to barter a paperclip for a house. Maybe think along those lines... what you want is exposure and links (and great content on your site for people to link to), try and think what you have you could barter upwards to get what you need. -Michael
There is no way to avoid the sandbox. It doesn't matter who links to you, it is an automatic filter based on the domain age. Google does not manually review sites to see who should and who shouldn't be in it. To disprove this, show me an example of a site that is less than 3 months old which ranks for a highly competive keyword? Just one. In the example you gave, sites like CNN or another established site that carried the story would outrank the original (new) site. The new site might rank for "mesothelioma cured" because this isn't likely on googles list of competive keywords. The sandbox does not apply to all keywords and you can rank for keywords that aren't highly competitive - such as a persons own domain/business name.
just want to tell that my site already has prediction on iwebtool pagerank 4, something else,>>the sites who rank well for mesothelioma doesn#T have many backlinks,i checked , Yes there is many new mesothelioma sites but nobody put some effort in it ,and most of them have very little backlinks and are on free host. Everyone expect that after they build a crapy site click s would come itselves, it doesn"t go that way. After seeing that most of them tray to sell it to some other webmasters who thinks that this is easy money. But guess what they were wrong. Sory on spelling it is 2 am in my country..
The only sandbox that exists within Google is within the Adwords Division and has no effect on how or when your website will rank in the SERPs What many experience is an aging dealy. Due to tons of idiots who build spam sites like this example http://any-free-for-9468.randomseo.introgrammar.com/ Google now has to worry that everyone is a spammer and as such they no longer grant carte blanche to websites to rank well. You need to build trust with Google over time and then your site should see growth in rankings. You can shorten the timing delay as was mentioned by someone earlier by attaining relevant links from authority sites or other high PR scored related websites. Press Releases can also help. At the same time you do not want to shoot yourself in the foot...many will go out on a link spree and hurt themselves in doing so... Links need to be built naturally and over time.... slow & steady will usually produce the best results with Google.
Well good luck to you - the top ranking site has 24,000 backlinks (yahoo, which is a better gauge since google only shows a fraction). Knowledge will only come with experience. It doesn't matter if your site is better than 99% of the websites in your sector, you need to compete with the top 20 (and really top 10) before you will see any significant traffic. I have a several keywords with a 200K overture where I rank in the top 10, and there is huge difference in being #11 or #3. FYI, those PR prediction tools are completely worthless and when they are right, it is pure luck. They are usually high. You may wind up with a higher or lower PR, but predictiing a PR4 is a very safe guess for any domain that has built backlinks as it is very easy to accomplish. You can do everything right on paper, and still miss with google. I have two websites on the same topic. One has had extensive backlink building, older domain, DMOZ, yahoo listed, much higher quality than the other. It is currently around #15 and the other site which is hosted on another server, different company name, only 10 pages, 1/10 the backlinks, is number #3. Tomorrow it could change. I been doing this for almost 10 years, have over 60 sites, and have learned you can never predict google as their algorithm is in a state of constant evolution. I think google makes changes just to keep commerical sites from always ranking in the top 10 - and requiring them to use adwords to sustain traffic.