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google prejudice site by site? if so which factor?

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by Michellylei, Jun 28, 2009.

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    i think google has prejudice to site by site. some site got good rank with less effort, some got worse rank with more effort (even older domain). link build way is very similar. popular google rank factors NOT WORK sometimes. someone guess google take visitors infomation. is there any new rank factor we do not know? or some factorss seem not big deal before but now it seem they are BIG deal to rank.
     
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  2. jitendarsinghrathod

    jitendarsinghrathod Peon

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    Hey Now Google Take The Content As The King
     
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    jg123 Notable Member

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    Google give preference to established industry authority sites but, for their search results to be relevant I guess they have to.
     
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    Google ranking is based on onpage and offpage factors. Just follow the Google guidelines, as simple as that, and you'll enjoy a good site ranking.
     
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    verticity Well-Known Member

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    yes I got PR1 to PR2 for one of my website.
     
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    Frost813 Peon

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    I'm not trying to insult you, but if your site is written in English, and the content looks like your post, I can see why it isn't ranking. It's painful to read. Just take this in to consideration when you're writing for your site, whether it be articles, or content on the site itself. Proofread your work, and if you aren't strong in a particular language, it may be a wise choice to pay someone that is better at it to edit your work. Actually, now that I think about it...it's not a bad idea to do that anyway, regardless of the language you're working in, you'd be amazed at what a fresh pair of eyes can do for you.

    Google looks at content, and if it has bad sentence structure, grammar, spelling, etc... Then I can see that site having a harder time ranking well. So, I wouldn't say that they're prejudice, but I do think that if one site has content that is better written than a competitor, I feel they will rank better. Even when the SEO methods are identical.

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    Google does track user information such as search habits, and what links they click on. I think they say this is an attempt for them to provide search results that are specific to you.
     
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  7. Michellylei

    Michellylei Active Member

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    so you all think good content is big factor to rank NOW? so google can know correct language? yes, i have someone to write for my sites. i not native english sry for my poor English.

    it seem content is real reason this case. becasue there is plenty content write by english writer in the site easy to rank. the another has poor conent. but for shopping site, we should not put like 500 words on hompage to get rank, which will harm to conversion rate. visitor will not like it.
     
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    Frost813 Peon

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    There's no need to apologize for your English, you can get your point across, and for now...that's all that matters.

    If you were to add content to the homepage of your retail site, just put it towards the bottom of the page. Remember, it's there for the customers to read if they want, though you really want to get them to buy, and not read. Spiders only read, so they'll see the content and be happy.

    Here's a prime example: http://www.4wheelonline.com/

    You'll see there is a ton of content at the bottom of the page, with all of the marketing done at the top. The content is relevant, and it can be read by anyone that stops by. It's at the bottom of the page, because reading isn't buying.
     
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    do u mean http://www.proflowers dot com right? but many great site has no content on homepage. if they put content, they will rank better?
    like www.payless dot com
     
    Michellylei, Jun 29, 2009 IP
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    It's a little difficult to compare to those sites. Those companies spend a ton of money in advertising, they have been around for some time, and have collected a ton of links, or simply are a large enough brand to be listed towards the top, since they are authority sites.

    You're still trying to establish yourself as an authority (if I'm not mistaken), so you may have to rely on a different tactic. At least in the beginning.
     
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    Identical SEO methods mean nothing unless the web sites are also identical...speaking of content, folder names, file names, code, etc. And that would be impossible. If all off-page methods are EXACTLY the same, then the only thing separating web site #1 and #2 is content. Make your content better than theirs, and you may win that race. But I suppose the real point is that there are so many factors that determine rank, it would be near impossible to pinpoint just one or two (or even 50) reasons web site #1 ranks better than #2. You could do some site comparisons between yours and your competition, but never really know what that one key factor is that makes one better than the other.

    Focus, focus, focus on your site. Build fresh content, relevant backlinks, etc. and if done well, more times than not, you will see results. Best of luck!
     
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    i dont think they would be
     
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    Do this... Use the Yahoo! Site Explorer LINK: operator to get a list of all of the backlinks to your URL in question and save it to an Excel spreadsheet. Do the same by using the LINK: operator to get a list of all of the backlinks for their URL that is out ranking you. Download that to a spreadsheet.

    Then go to EVERY URL that is linking to your page and EVERY URL that is linking to their page. View the source for the linking page. Find the link to your URL or their URL in the source and then note the following for each of the backlinks to both your URL and theirs and log the following in the spreadsheet:

    PR of Page Linking to you or them:
    Whether the link to your URL or their URL is FOLLOW or NOFOLLOW?
    Link Text of link to your URL or their URL (if image link, then log the alt text from <img> alt= attribute):
    Log whether the keyword phrase (or slight variation) is in the <title> of page linking to you
    Log whether the keyword phrase (or slight variation) is in the <h1> of page linking to you.
    Log whether the keyword phrase (or slight variation) is in any <h2> of page linking to you.
    Log whether the keyword phrase (or slight variation) is in the content of page linking to you.

    Also for each URL that links to your page or their page, go to Google and see if the page that links to you or them is indexed by searching for SITE:URLThatLinksToYouOrThem. Note in your spreadsheet whether the page that links to you/them is in Google's index.

    Log whether the page linking to you or them in Google's Index?

    When you get done, highlight in RED all rows where the page linking to you is using rel="nofollow" or rel="external nofollow". Highlight in RED all rows where the page linking to you is NOT in Google's index. The rows in red do NOT count as backlinks to your page or theirs. You can basically delete or hide those rows.

    Now look at the links that remain... I'll bet you that:

    1) They have more links than you containing the keyword phrase (or slight variations of that phrase) you're being outranked for in the link text (and alt= attribute for image links)
    2) They have more links than you where the page linking to you has the keyword phrase (or slight variations) in the <title>, <h1>, <h2>, and/or content of the page.
    3) They have more links than you containing the keyword phrase (or slight variations of that phrase) in the link text from pages with higher page rank than you

    or some combination of the above.
     
    Canonical, Jun 29, 2009 IP